People shoot people not guns?

[MikePA]

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." - Adolf ******

Joseph Goebbels said this.

 

[cp1969]

Joseph Goebbels said this.

Yep, and we are being fed plenty of them today.

I wonder if there has ever been a problem where two different viewpoints, each hoping to solve the problem, have been so diametrically opposed.

One side's position is that "if only guns weren't available" these monstrous acts could not occur, therefore if we could eliminate "easy access" to guns, the problem would be solved. True enough. "If" we could do this, it might work.

But we can't. It is physically impossible to un-invent the gun. Even if you could somehow manage to round them all up, someone would still know how to make one, plus they could still be smuggled.

Plus, the people who propose this never mention how they would accomplish this goal. That is to be left to other people to figure out how to make the anointed ones' dreams come true. They have more important things to do with their superior intellect and morality than become bogged down in the intractable problems to trying to accomplish the impossible.

The other camp recognizes this limitation and seeks to deal with it in the best way possible. They understand fully that the 2nd amendment wasn't put in the Constitution to guarantee recreational hunting. They know that police cannot be everywhere and a response time can be anything from five minutes to a half hour and that in that time, the damage is done. This camp recognizes that with these boundary conditions, the most practical solution is for people to take a more active role in their own self-protection.

So, who do you throw in with? Those with lofty, pie-in-the-sky ideals but no hope of actually accomplishing anything or those who want to make the best of a bad situation and can actually have some effect on the problem?

 

[ToadHill]

Isn't strange how Rosie is against guns, but has her bodyguards carry them.

 

[TrippleT]

Yes, that is something. Against guns but have someone with a gun to protect you. Consistency thou art a rare jewel indeed.

 

[LMTC]

Joseph Goebbels said this.

I knew that, or at least thought that, but when I queried I found a number of listings in the first two pages of search engine returns that attributed it to ******. So I plead ignorance by deference to Google Fact remains, it is so very sadly true.

Folks, politicians are not, by and large, stupid. They are, by and large, addicted to power. Most of them know the facts. They are not interested in the facts. They are interested in the positions that give them power....whether it be with certain voter groups, special interest groups, or whatever. For some it is also about ideology....but most KNOW that you can't get rid of guns. Have laws agains heroin gotten rid of heroin? Of course not. Think about how much power (taxes, new jurisdiction and agencies, etc.) government has garnered under the guise of fighting the drug war. Same with firearms. Has ATF, for all its $$$$$$$$$ and the restraints placed on various rights, done anything to protect us?

 

[Soundguy]

Yep.. inanimate objects don't have any 'will'. It takes a person's 'hand' on an object to cause something to happen.

I say.. lets BAN all the criminals? How bout' that?

Soundguy

 

[N80]

It is all about power. If you take all the guns away then someone will walk in a school room with a pointed stick and kill a bunch of people who don't have pointed sticks. Then we'll need to ban pointed sticks.

But there's an add-on to that equation. That add-on is the government. The government will always have its guns and pointed sticks. On the popular level, the desire for gun control is a cop out, knee jerk response to the violence we witness around us. It is the answer that eases the mind. It is the answer that allows us to continue to believe that there are no evil people, just unfortunate people in evil circumstances. We don't have to take a long hard look at us and say, man, what on earth is wrong with us. We can blame it on the existence of inanimate objects. But that's the harmless and rather mindless approach to gun control. The serious and sinister aspect of gun control is at the policy level where the politicians and the lobbyists are. The American Civil War marked a major change in how American's viewed the Constitution and the government it established. Having been decided, the government was no longer a mechanism to exert the will of the people either in communities, regions or continents. The government, and its unity, became more important than that. The pragmatism of 'union' became more important than the expressed desire of whole regions. This gave head to a trend that has culminated in the American 'left'. That 'left' believes that the government is more important than the people and their will. They believe that for two reasons: 1) The people are basically helpless and incapable of governing themselves in their own courts, communities or even their own homes. 2) If the people become dependant on the government then the government's power (their power) is consolidated and if the people are dependant on the government long enough they will indeed be too stupid, helpless and incapable to manage their own lives. The cycle is viscious and has continued unabated since FDR socialized this nation to get it out of the dperession.

Guns, which give power to the populace, make it so that the populace is never as helpless and incapable as the left wishes it to be. (Which is the very reason the Constitution gave us the right to have them!) They pray on the popular concept of gun control being a public safety issue. For the leaders of the left, it is far more than that and far more serious. And it is all based on the mistaken belief that our government is 'good' now and always will be. I hope it always will be, but in all of human history, no one has ever fielded a government which has always remained good. Never. And the primary mark of a bad government is that it subjugates its citizens first, and then its neighbors.

 

[Soundguy]

I believe it was Ben Franklin who said " Thos that trade freedom for security will soon have neither".

IE.. if we give up our guns in exchange for security ( provided by others ).. then eventually we will have neither.. etc..

Soundguy

 

[mjarrels]

Virginia Peace Corp worker was recently killed in the Phillippines with a rock and a stick!

mark

 

[gsganzer]

Lawmakers, Rosie beleive that if they take all the guns away the robbers won't have any. Yeah right all robbers and gang members are going to turn in their guns. There will always be black market of guns.


murph

Of course it will work. Just look at the war on drugs. All the illicit drugs are illegal, so there musn't be a drug problem anymore.