I just posted an old gem of a troy bilt horse in the for sale forum for $1000. I would have to disagree with the person who says the new are as good as the old...I'm a 42 year old youngster but I have been around enough equipment in my life to know the difference between "Old School American Made Iron that's practically indestructable" and the "new stuff that will break with much less use". The new ones have "significant plastic and 18-20 gauge tin" the old ones have "significant cast iron and 10-14 gauge sheet metal".