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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Swiftriver View Post
    We have a program in Maine called Tree Growth Be Woods Wise - Maine's Tree Growth Tax Law that sounds about the same. It's the only way we could afford the taxes on our 110 acre lot with river frontage. We kept 2 acres (town minimum lot size) out for our house. We have to update a forest management and harvest plan every 10 years. Of course like everything else there are people that abuse it, mostly on the coast. The minimum lot size to enroll is 10 acres and I think that needs to be increased to cut down on some of the problems.
    10 Acres here also. My property would be classified as forest reserve. They seemed a bit vague but assured me that I didn't have to do any forest management because of something about my property?? It seems like the main push here is to stop over development while taking a hit on tax income which I find refreshing in this day and age. The information sheet says there are more than 9.3 million acres in the program.

    I'm curious about the abuse and how increasing the minimum size would help? Do they just plant a few saplings here and there and call it good?
    Last edited by 955Lincoln; 10-02-2012 at 12:31 PM.

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    We had to put our land into a timber valuation to save on taxes. We bought our land at the end of a 5-7 year period of property valuations so our taxes were very low. The next valuation increased or taxes by a factor of 2-3. Without a timber valuation, we would have had to have sold land because we could not afford the property tax. Since we had timbered the land it was easy for me to draw up a timber management plan and lower our tax value.

    Check with your county and state extension offices. In NC, they had classes as well as documents to help go through the process. I have gone to a couple of evening meeting/classes to keep up with the process.

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    Here in Catawba County if you own over 10 acres they value your property at market value but then apply a factor to lower the actual taxes on the property...
    For example, the farm that I live on is approximately 100 ac. and has an assessed tax value of over $45K...
    The taxes are around $330 per year...
    My house is on the tax books at around $135K but the taxes are aound $750 per year...
    I think that if we were to sell any of our property then the difference in the tax rates are assessed for a 3 year period...
    I don't know the specific name of the program but it seems very similiar to yours in Pennsylvania...
    I would assume most other states have some kind of tax structure to help reduce the tax burden to large land parcels considered farm or non residential or commercial...

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    Some of the examples just make me shake my head at how whacked out our property tax is in MI. I have 1/3 acre with a 1300 sq ft floorplan home sitting on a garage / 600sq foot basement and I am paying more than $3600 per year. Living in a neighborhood with a median income of $45k/household... My next door neighbors house just sold for $140k, one up from him sold for $18k after being on the market for 2 years (no mortgage but lost his job and got behind on property tax, so the county foreclosed).

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    Quote Originally Posted by westcliffe01 View Post
    Some of the examples just make me shake my head at how whacked out our property tax is in MI. I have 1/3 acre with a 1300 sq ft floorplan home sitting on a garage / 600sq foot basement and I am paying more than $3600 per year. Living in a neighborhood with a median income of $45k/household... My next door neighbors house just sold for $140k, one up from him sold for $18k after being on the market for 2 years (no mortgage but lost his job and got behind on property tax, so the county foreclosed).
    There is a property near me that is for sale at $150K. But it is in a water and sewer district, and it has a 100K assesment on it. The township owns it. I don't see it selling anytime soon.

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    Just went through this here in NEPA. The county reassessed in 08 or 09. And the taxes went up from 516.00 to 1300. Its 13 acres, unimproved,no house, shed, or access.
    We closed on it early this year, so the previous owners did not appeal, as they where retired, and too busy trying to fight the tax increase on the resident property.
    The appeal process is in front of a board, they can either be in a good mood or a bad mood,so you neverknow how the outcome will be. My approach was to get a certified appraisal first, as the board will likely give you credit from a baord certified realtor assesser, besides they do thorough job on the appraisal and are likely to weigh in your favor if you are paying them. Then go to the clean and green as that amount is set in stone as a percentage I think. (I missed the clean and green deadline this year).
    My appraisal costs 300.00 and was board certified, it showed like property values and used them to justify the appaisal,all printed on 8X14 sheets with color photos. My 13 acres was county assessed at 90k, the appaisal value came up with 61K, I payed 60K.
    I spoke in front of the board and referenced the appaisal,and interated that at the time the county reassed the value, the reality market was at its peak, but this was due by fraudulent banking, realitors,and lenders,falsly increasing property vales,and PROVEN by the US congress. I found creditable information online from the FBI investigation on years 2009 and 2010 which I showed the board and it clearly identified PA as being in the top 10 states under investigation.
    Anyway, I got my new taxes inthe mail last week and they dropped by 1/3rd. Now I have to do the clean and green for the fixed discount.
    I believe the appraisal was the big hitter as the board fell right in line with that amount or slightly over it by 9 percent. Otherwise it would have been another bleeding heart story,and I am sure they here them daily with little remorse.
    Build your case, and appeal,there is a deadline though for the year, as the board will here cases in the fall, well past the clean and green deadline, so you'll wanna do it now if ya can, so you can clean and green next summer. Otherwise, if you go clean and green first,they may not be as forgiving as you will be already recieving a reduction.
    There was a fee of 100.00 dollars to appeal, (50.00 per deed)I have two 6.5 acre tracts side by side. I feel they should have been returned after proving my case and winning, but then again,this is Pennsylvania,and there are plenty of crooks here in the county countyhouse.
    They have arrest 34 courthouse employees over the past 4 years, starting with these two judges
    Pennsylvania rocked by 'jailing kids for cash' scandal - CNN

    Do your homework, have solid evidence and supporting documents from reputable references and you will reduce your taxes! If you are as fed up as I,it really become more of a mission,and you'll be happy with the reward! Otherwise they win and you will just be handing the money over from the next owner, stand up,stand tall and go to bat!
    I am personally fed up with the county,I live on the very border of the county line,and we don;t seemuch of any improvments, let alone a snow plow. Screw em!
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    Lots of folks moving here to NC from up north...
    No wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forgeblast View Post
    Thanks forgeblast. The first link is the information sheet they gave me. Not that it matters much (for 1 acre) but doesn't it say that you have to pay rollback taxes on the 1 acre if you do a split-off for a home? There was a discussion about this earlier.

    "MAY I SELL OR DIVIDE MY PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ROLLBACK TAXES?
    The Act allows for two types of divisions or conveyances: "Split-offs" and "Separations." A split-off is a division, by conveyance or other action of the owner, of land, into two or more tracts, for use of constructing a residence. No more than two acres may be split-off per year except if the municipality requires a minimum three-acre subdivision to construct the residence. Cumulative split-offs may never exceed 10 acres, or 10% of the total land originally enrolled, the lesser of the two. Rollback taxes would be due only with respect to the land split-off."

    "Separation is a division, by conveyance or other action of the owner, of land into two or more tracts of land that continue to be in Agricultural Use, Agricultural Reserve, or Forest Reserve. The tracts must usually be at least 10 acres in size and continue to meet the qualifications. No rollback taxes would be due."
    Last edited by 955Lincoln; 10-03-2012 at 08:53 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania Clean and Green Tax Program

    my understanding is that you would be assessed on any improved land, meaning the house and barn etc. That is the way it is with us. If I clearn part of my property and put in a bigger (more then 10x10) shed, etc then I would also be reassesed for taxes. I dont have my tax bill in front of me, if I find it when i get home ill see what it says about clean and green.
    When we bough our house in 2003, it was already enrolled in it, and it came up in the title search. We were not sure what it was and our lawyer researched it for us.

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