Page 10 of 13 FirstFirst ... 78910111213 LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 122
  1. #91
    Super Member dave1949's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    9,016
    Location
    Industry, Maine
    Tractor
    New Holland TC40

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefarmer View Post
    Just saw an article today, utilities saying the grid tie homes not paying their "fair share" of their maintenance costs. my last bill has 24% as fees, not related to generation-transmission- distrbution.
    Maybe. If my grid-tied system supplies all our power, I pay the current standard $8.91 per month service fee, but about half the time, the utility is supplying all my power (overnight, cloudy days).

    Like electric cars using the roads, while not paying road use tax through gasoline sales.
    "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end ..."

  2. #92
    Super Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    5,848
    Location
    SF Bay Area-Ca Olympia WA Salzburg Austria
    Tractor
    Cat D3, Deere 110 TLB, Kubota BX23, Craftsman Mower

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Like most things... follow the money!

  3. #93
    Elite Member BobRip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,144
    Location
    Powhatan Va.
    Tractor
    2000 Power Trac 422

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Quote Originally Posted by ultrarunner View Post
    Like most things... follow the money!
    Of course. Let's say we ban smart meters. I see the alternatives as follows.

    Since people will not have an inventive to use more electricity during low use times we will built more power plants to handle the peak. Solar generation will be less feasible since they will not be paid more when supplying energy during peak usage. More power plants must be kept idling to handle the peak, thus operating at lower efficiency and increasing fuel cost. Wind power is less feasible since its peak enegy production at early morning hours becomes less valuable.

    We complain about high energy rates and then complain when companies and government do things to reduce this.
    Bob Rip
    Tell me and I will hear.
    Show me and I will see.
    Let me do and I will learn.
    Let me fail and I will understand.

  4. #94
    Elite Member houstonscott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    3,897
    Location
    Oglesby, Texas
    Tractor
    Kubota L3800, Kubota GR2120, Kubota RTV1100, Kubota 5100sc

    Default

    The main thing to remember about smart meters is they do not make the grid more efficient. The information will be used to control you usage or access. Making reading more efficient is first step to get foot in the door to control usage realtime. None of which is good.

    HS.

  5. #95
    Super Member tcreeley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,896
    Location
    US: North of Mason Dixon line
    Tractor
    TBN casualty

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonscott View Post
    The main thing to remember about smart meters is they do not make the grid more efficient. The information will be used to control you usage or access. Making reading more efficient is first step to get foot in the door to control usage realtime. None of which is good.

    HS.
    we are being sold a bill of goods
    Right wing conservatives make lousy compost too!

  6. #96
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,771
    Location
    Doniphan, Mo.
    Tractor
    Kubota L4240, B7800 & BX2660

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    We have had the meters for 2 years. Price pr kw has been $0.07 for a number of years for off season and they keep saying there is no price increase. Well thats true, but everyones bill has went way up. If you look at the KW's used from the year before and your way of living is the same or you have cut back, the kw's well be more. The meters I think can be turned up in speed or slowed down.
    Let me say no matter how you save, like car pooling, cars getting more MPG, turn off everything in your house,phone and list just goes on. There is away they are going make up the lose. You just wait and see if the fuel cell that is being tested right now, my a few co's. every gets into our hands. Even if it does, it well be like the electric car that everyone had to give back.

  7. #97
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    1,900
    Location
    East Coast of Lake Huron
    Tractor
    Deere, several

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Remote metering also allows profiling of power usage. A typical family has different peaks and lows than a grow operation raising weed.
    A simple software program will sort out the suspects in an entire utility in seconds.

  8. #98
    Veteran Member chopped's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,484
    Location
    New England yankeee

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Quote Originally Posted by Leejohn View Post
    We have had the meters for 2 years. Price pr kw has been $0.07 for a number of years for off season and they keep saying there is no price increase. Well thats true, but everyones bill has went way up. If you look at the KW's used from the year before and your way of living is the same or you have cut back, the kw's well be more. The meters I think can be turned up in speed or slowed down.
    Let me say no matter how you save, like car pooling, cars getting more MPG, turn off everything in your house,phone and list just goes on. There is away they are going make up the lose. You just wait and see if the fuel cell that is being tested right now, my a few co's. every gets into our hands. Even if it does, it well be like the electric car that everyone had to give back.
    They can be turned up or down at will?Doesnt this firstly not sure any purpose for having a meter? And wouldnt the Meters have to be regualted but the PUC? Like fuel pumps and the like?????

  9. #99
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,771
    Location
    Doniphan, Mo.
    Tractor
    Kubota L4240, B7800 & BX2660

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    Yes I sure say they should be regulated, but I have never seen a meter replaced unless it's broke or up dated and never seen anyone spot checking any. The gas and weight scales are checked all the time. You still need a meter you have to go by something. I wonder who does regulate them? The only decal I have seen on them is "passed"
    If they can read the meter and turn off and on your power from a remote place i don' see any reason they can't speed it up and slow down. I have a old meter that runs off of a new meter and I think I well shut everything down that is pulling off the new meter, but the shop that has old meter. That might tell me what I want to know?







    te

  10. #100
    Veteran Member buckeyefarmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    2,202
    Location
    MD
    Tractor
    Kubota L3940 L5030 MF205-4

    Default Re: Smart Meters

    When the Gov't got involved here by deregulating electric, is when the prices went up. Course they said it would go down, but it didn't. Personally I liked regulated utilities better, some govt involvement, but the utility could manage the grid as a system. Now that they have separated generation - transmission - and distribution, it's next to impossible to manage peak, cause who gets to turn theirs on. It has really complicated things. Peak shaving before was very simple, it was simply done by cost. Also, peak is normally during the day worktime hours, where residential loads are lower and commercial is the highest. Commercial already had time of day rates, and power factor penalties. commercial customers had to pay for inefficient operations. Residential loads increase at night, normally after the peak period. Where I used to work, we had an agreement with the power company to run our generators if they needed peak shaving help. My area still enjoys semi decent electric rates because of the number of coal plants, but that's about to change as the Govt stuck their noses in further and added more regulations intentionally to shut them down which is driving up prices. Course a bunch of these power plants are starting to convert to NG, as there is a glut of NG now thanks to the Marcellus and Utica shale boom in PA / WV / OH. So the gov't is now sticking their noses in that business to try to shut them down. I have a $2.50 charge each month on my bill that our state requires as part of their forced energy efficiency program. For this I got 6 CF light bulbs mailed to me by my utility, half came pre broken. And don't get me started on the friggin stormwater runoff tax they are going to implement.
    L3940HSTC, QA FEL, BH92
    L5030HST,QA,FEL
    MF 205-4
    Husqvarna YTH24V48LS (the other orange)
    KK Finish Mower, KK Tiller, 6' rotary mower, Pallet forks, PHD, Blade, Carryall, cultivator, 2 wheel barrows, assorted gardening tools,

Page 10 of 13 FirstFirst ... 78910111213 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. hour meters
    By Bendavid in forum Kioti Owning/Operating
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-14-2008, 11:45 PM
  2. Doing smart is smarter than thinking smart
    By fishpick in forum Kubota Owning/Operating
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 12-09-2007, 06:39 PM
  3. Gauges/Meters
    By Anonymous Poster in forum Yanmar
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 03-31-2003, 10:07 AM
  4. Tilt Meters
    By Anonymous Poster in forum Kubota Owning/Operating
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 03-22-2003, 08:38 AM
  5. Tilt meters
    By John Weaver in forum John Deere Owning/Operating
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 01-26-2002, 04:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2013 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.