Federal Judge Dismisses Suit Against 'Drone Slayer'

[madpuma13]

By now, we ought to know what that's worth. Claims are easy to make. If we aren't getting it (and we're not) where would the NSA get it? It's not being transmitted continuously, or even frequently. That would kill battery life and it could not be hidden. And to whom would it transmit it? Is there a secret app on every phone that notifies an NSA server every few seconds? The data volume would be unimaginable.

It's as ridiculous as the claims we used to hear that every landline phone has a secret microphone that is transmitting every conversation to the government.

People who say these kind of things simply have no idea what would be required to make something like that happen and keep it a secret.

Actually yes, every smart phone with android or ios can and does track you. I mean I'm glad you say that the telephone provider doesn't keep this info but Google/Apple does.

While I can't confirm that the nsa or any other government agency has the data. I honestly can't see how you believe they can't get it.

For arguments sake, say they can't, as I said Google/Apple do collect this data by default. You agree to it in their TOS. Need physical proof on your own phone? Look up how to delete your location history on your respective OS.

I'm glad you have faith in your employer but they aren't the only ones that have access to this information (and for the record, I don't trust that telephone providers don't facilitate in the collection of this and more information).

To each their own.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

How or when they get it is irrelevant to privacy concerns.

How they get it matters if there is no "how" that exists. To get that info from the carriers for every cellphone in the country would require a data path so big it could not be hidden. You might as well try to hide a herd of elephants in a church.

It's not there. It doesn't exist.

To get that information from every cellphone directly would "only" require an app on every cellphone that transmits that info at some intervals. That would also be impossible to hide.

To get it for a select few of interest.... easy, and in fact, is done regularly. That is what the brew-ha-ha is about.

 

[madpuma13]

To get it for a select few of interest.... easy, and in fact, is done regularly. That is what the brew-ha-ha is about.

So you do acknowledge it is tracked for those of interest. There's the rub that you admit.

Now who decides you're a person of interest? Do they tell you that you are and that your privacy is being violated?

As I pointed out there is an app on every phone that collects this data, it's the OS.

 

[ovrszd]

I must say, as an early poster to this thread, everyone is being civil and sharing opinions and sometimes facts. This debate will continue with much more contribution as long as we can all be adults and not get our panties in a wad if someone disagrees. Hopefully that sharing continues.

I visited with a neighbor this morning that's building a new house. Told him and his wife that I would take pics and videos of the progress if they wanted me to. They were all about it. Thanked me profusely for offering. I'll do it and give them all the captured data AND not save any of it for myself.

Wonder how they would have felt if they were on their property viewing the progress and saw a drone hovering overhead.

It's all about communication. It removes the suspicion that someone is "spying" on them with a drone.

 

[N80]

How they get it matters if there is no "how" that exists. To get that info from the carriers for every cellphone in the country would require a data path so big it could not be hidden. You might as well try to hide a herd of elephants in a church.

I don't think anyone said they collect data on every cell phone. But it is quite clear that they collect data on a _lot_ of cell phones. They have said so. THAT is the point, not the technical details, not the numbers. The point is that what you do on a cell phone is hardly private.

To get it for a select few of interest.... easy, and in fact, is done regularly. That is what the brew-ha-ha is about.

Yep. My point exactly. Except according to the NSA the number of "select few" is very large and the selection criteria are vague. That's what got them in trouble (if you can call it that) and their powers limited (as if) a few years ago.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Yeh, your safe at 400ft. from a shotgun. No shot is making that trip up and taking down a drone. A HP rifle is another story but that would be a very good shot unless you were hovering.

I bet a trained sniper would have a great chance at taking it down.

I'll ask a relative who won the individual precision marksman segment of the U.S. Army Small Arms Competition a few years ago and spent much of his Army career operating in austere, hostile environments throughout the world, with little support, while providing real time intelligence and analysis on specific targets.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I'll ask a relative who won the individual precision marksman segment of the U.S. Army Small Arms Competition a few years ago and spent much of his Army career operating in austere, hostile environments throughout the world, with little support, while providing real time intelligence and analysis on specific targets.

Bet I can guess his answer. At 400 feet, I'll wager anything from a .22 LR to a shotgun slug would bring it down; assuming you were a good shot and could hit it.

 

[TomSeller]

Bet I can guess his answer. At 400 feet, I'll wager anything from a .22 LR to a shotgun slug would bring it down; assuming you were a good shot and could hit it.

I couldn't hit that, I'd have to resort to mooning it at that elevation.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Bet I can guess his answer. At 400 feet, I'll wager anything from a .22 LR to a shotgun slug would bring it down; assuming you were a good shot and could hit it.

My father serving as an F.O. on the MLR in Korea in '51 nudged his R.O.K. sergeant and pointed down at a lilly pool halfway down the mountain and popped a lilly pad. Undaunted, my father says his R.O.K. sergeant pointed up at an egret circling high above them, lined up his rifle and popped it out of the sky. My father said it was the best shot he'd ever seen in his life.

That said, I bet popping a small target at 400 feet would be very hard as there isn't any feedback as to where the bullet went.

 

[Citydude]

I'm a drone plot and seeing posts like this really are upsetting (maybe not for what you'd think)

Most drones have fisheye cameras on them that would require then to be nearly humping your leg to get a decent photo of you.

The drones that can carry actual cameras cost thousands of dollars. No one that spends that much money on a drone plus thousands of dollars on a camera and lens that can take pictures of you from a far truly cares Wtf you are doing.

If someone wanted a picture of you a flying noise maker is a little obvious, don't you think?

The thing that really gets me though is that people seem to be so upset about these incapable drones invading their privacy (even willing to get their firearms out for a cause they believe in) when almost everything you type online and every website you go to is tracked and more. Something that violates your privacy on a multiple factor level compared to these toys and yet there aren't any firearms calling for net neutrality.

Off my soapbox now, but seriously, fight the fights that matter. If the drone is flying at ground level at your windows, by all means shoot the thing down and beat the snot out of the pilot.

Gee, emotional post. Thanks for giving me permission to shoot . And calling someone a "pilot" flying a drone is like calling myself a Navy Seal when I play Black Ops on Xbox.