Who has disabled the safety device called

[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by nate_m

Start Rant:

That is a load of crap!

If you disable the safety - you are responsible!
Or at least that is the way it should be.

IMO, that is one of the biggest problems in this country; people not willing to take responsibility for their own actions and looking for someone else to take the blame.

Ever consider how many cents of every dollar you spend goes towards liability? It is the consumer who pays for all the past and future stupidity.

Pure bull$h*t.

End Rant.

And my rant concerning your post is don't expect or demand that I comply with laws and rules that don't apply to me.
End of said rant.

[gemini5362]

Originally Posted by SPYDERLK

Will it start in gear? If so that clutch safety is dangerous! My preference would be to have ONLY an in gear start interlock in parallel with a seat switch or some other switch convenient only to the operator platform. That way you would have to be in the seat or out of gear to start. After its running Id rather be on my own.
larry

yes it will start in gear. Personally I think that having to shift to neutral and push in the clutch is way too much safety for my taste. The same way with the seat switch.

Let me tell you something that is absolutely amazing. I owned a massey 65 for over 15 years it would start with the clutch out, in gear with the PTO engaged and with you standing on the ground if you were stupid enough to do that. Not once did I get hurt on that tractor nor did anyone around me get hurt. I think that people should take some responsibilities for being stupid. If they get hurt for doing stupid things then it is not the manufacturers fault. If you stand on the ground and start your tractor with it in gear and you get run over you deserve to be run over. Personally there were times when I liked to be able to bump the starter with it in gear and move the tractor a smidgeon. For everyone that disagrees with me good for you. You run your tractor your way and I will run my tractor like I want. If i get killed in the process of running my tractor in a manner that some consider unsafe then I deserve what I get.

[SPYDERLK]

Originally Posted by gemini5362

yes it will start in gear. Personally I think that having to shift to neutral and push in the clutch is way too much safety for my taste. The same way with the seat switch.

Let me tell you something that is absolutely amazing. I owned a massey 65 for over 15 years it would start with the clutch out, in gear with the PTO engaged and with you standing on the ground if you were stupid enough to do that. Not once did I get hurt on that tractor nor did anyone around me get hurt. I think that people should take some responsibilities for being stupid. If they get hurt for doing stupid things then it is not the manufacturers fault. If you stand on the ground and start your tractor with it in gear and you get run over you deserve to be run over. Personally there were times when I liked to be able to bump the starter with it in gear and move the tractor a smidgeon. For everyone that disagrees with me good for you. You run your tractor your way and I will run my tractor like I want. If i get killed in the process of running my tractor in a manner that some consider unsafe then I deserve what I get.

The setup I proposed would do all that special option stuff and prevent any danger of being run over unless you really tried. Starting the tractor from the ground is often desirable. With yours tho its a deathtrap - and it wont even do what you want from the seat.
larry

[JerryG]

It looks like I am in the minority in that I feel that tractors should have operator presence switches. There are couple of reasons.
First being safety by shutting of the engine to stop the tractor.Let me give you an example. A man that lives about a mile from me with several thousand acres was plowing a very small plot one day with an old hobby tractor. He started to raise up to look at something. Before he got completely up, he hit a a rock, a cut off stump or a hole. I don't remember which one it was now, it has been a while. When it hit the hole or the object, he was thrown from the tractor. While trying to hold on to the steering wheel, the wheels were turned to one side. The tractor ran over him, breaking his leg and then before he could get out of the way the tractor which had the wheel cut to one side, ran over him again breaking his hip. It was an accident that happened to a very experienced operator. He worked on and owned all kinds of tractors, dozers, combines etc.
The second reason is to protect the engine. Chances are if the tractor has rolled there will be enough weight off of the switch to kill the engine even if the operator has a seat belt on. A diesel engine will run even if it is on it's side. This destroys the bearings.
Now, There are times that some equipment can't be operated with a presence switch operating. Some tractors don't have a way to disengage the switch conveniently so that it can be reengaged easily. My post drive is an example of a piece of equipment that I couldn't operate by myself given the operator presence switch. I installed a bypass switch to be able to disable the presence switch when I was using the driver, my sprayer etc. It is as easy as can be to just flip the switch off and then when I am done it come back on. I won't let anyone in the family on the tractor with the presence switch disengaged.
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[LBrown59]

Originally Posted by nate_m

Start Rant:
One of the biggest problems in this country is people not willing to take responsibility for their own actions and looking for someone else to take the blame.
End Rant.

Not taking responsibility for my own actions is one thing.
Trying to force me to comply with laws rules and regulations that don't apply to me is quite another.

Originally Posted by JerryG

1*It looks like I am in the minority in that I feel that tractors should have operator presence switches.

1*All well and good but enforce compliance against those the law applies to and leave those it doesn't apply to out of it.

[davitk]

Originally Posted by gemini5362

yes it will start in gear. Personally I think that having to shift to neutral and push in the clutch is way too much safety for my taste. The same way with the seat switch.

Let me tell you something that is absolutely amazing. I owned a massey 65 for over 15 years it would start with the clutch out, in gear with the PTO engaged and with you standing on the ground if you were stupid enough to do that. Not once did I get hurt on that tractor nor did anyone around me get hurt. I think that people should take some responsibilities for being stupid. If they get hurt for doing stupid things then it is not the manufacturers fault. If you stand on the ground and start your tractor with it in gear and you get run over you deserve to be run over. Personally there were times when I liked to be able to bump the starter with it in gear and move the tractor a smidgeon. For everyone that disagrees with me good for you. You run your tractor your way and I will run my tractor like I want. If i get killed in the process of running my tractor in a manner that some consider unsafe then I deserve what I get.

Back in 1967 I was visiting my grandpa's farm, and just before lunch (he and Grandma called it "Dinner") he pulled the Farmall H up to the house and went in to wash up. Well, I jumped up on that seat and began playing farmer, turning the wheel, shifting the gears, pulling levers and pushing buttons until she fired up The family still laughs about how they looked out the kitchen window just in time to see me hop off the tractor and make a beeline to hide behind the hen house - this four year old thought he was a goner for sure. Thank God it wasn't in gear!

Oh, and I probably would have deserved to run that tractor into the side of the house. Stupid me

[john_bud]

Originally Posted by JerryG

It looks like I am in the minority in that I feel that tractors should have operator presence switches.

True. Enjoy the inconvenience. I'm glad mine never had one.

jb

[aczlan]

Originally Posted by john_bud

True. Enjoy the inconvenience. I'm glad mine never had one.

I will have to disagree with you, while it can be inconvenient (Cub Cadet lawn tractors I am looking at you) generally it is a good idea. last week when the lawn tractor I was mowing with lost traction, slid backwards and rolled I was glad that the blades automatically shut off when I went off. I think that there should be a operator presence switch when the tractor is in gear or the PTO is on, HOWEVER it should NOT be tied to the brake (so that you have to set the parking brake before getting off the tractor). if you fall off the tractor when it is in gear, you would want it to shut off ASAP before it (or your implement) runs you over.

however (IMHO) there should be a override switch that allows you to leave the PTO on when getting our of the seat if the parking brake is set AND you push a button, the operator presence switch would then be off until you restarted the tractor. that would allow you to run a sprayer, 3pt BH, waterpump, auger, chipper etc. if you are running something like that you should have the parking brake on anyway so that the tractor does not roll away.


Aaron Z

[dmccarty]

One of the guys I work with has an old Farmall. He had it in his barn. and for some reason he started it while standing on the ground. He did not see that it was in gear and it started to move. The tractor drove up on his brand new JD riding lawn mower and then started pushing against one of the post holding up the barn.

Lucky for him he could turn off the tractor before things got real bad.

He THOUGHT the tractor was out of gear. He made a mistake. He is lucky that the tractor did not run him over or take out his barn which might very well have happened if the tractor had been in a higher gear.

I have not nor will I disable any safety devices. Don't see a need to do so. My JD4700 is a gear tractor and the engine has yet to turn off when working the tractor.

On the other hand the engine has stopped NUMEROUS times due to the operator presence switch. What happens is that the dash mounted lever that tells the tractor to go forward, reverse, or neutral is easy to hit especially in the winter when wearing a jacket. So I stop the tractor put the gear selector in neutral AND put the dash mounted lever in neutral. But on the way off the tractor I hit the lever and the engine will start to sputter. I usually can sit down fast enough to prevent the engine stopping.

Since I almost always put the gear selector in neutral in theory the operator presence switch is not needed in the case. But if I did NOT put the gear in neutral that switch will have prevented an accident. I'll leave the switch enabled.

I can operate the FEL from the ground if I need to as well as leave the engine running when hooking up equipment and running the log splitter. The safety devices have yet to be a problem for me and have very likely prevented an accident.

Later,
Dan

[js5020]

In my opinion, my AC 5020 has the best safety system,,,, a switch on the pto lever, so if the pto is engauged it won't start, and a switch on the tranny where you must shift the tractor into S, not neutral to start. I will not tolerate any type of operator presence device on any of my machines, the manufacturer may have to put them there, but they are not going to stay,,,,, but it does tick me off when they tie them together and I end up having to kill them all just to get rid of the seat device.