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08-20-2012, 01:48 PM #1Super Member
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Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
An 18-year old girl and her 27-year old brother were killed in a bonfire explosion in St. Clair Township (near Flint) Michigan, Saturday night when a large two-story bonfire that had been heavily soaked with gasoline by the 27 year old man who was the resident of the property, exploded upon being lit. According to the story, the girl's brother invited her to light the bonfire, which had been prepared to celebrate her graduation, and the resulting explosion scattered wood 100 yards away from the pile, and blew out windows in a structure over 100 feet away. The two died from trauma and not burns, according to the sheriff's department who investigated.
Ugh....what a tragic way to die...I might use a cupful of gasoline to start a fire but rarely more than that. Very sad.Always be willing to admit your shortcomings, there is no shame in not knowing how to do something. The shame is in NOT admitting you don't know how to do it.
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08-20-2012, 02:11 PM #2Platinum Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
Wow. Sad indeed. I refuse to light anything when gas is involved. Had some close calls in my foolish youth.
MoKelly
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08-20-2012, 02:14 PM #3
It's the vapors that get ya. I only use diesel to start my fires. Had my gas fire scare when I was young. No more
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08-20-2012, 02:24 PM #4Super Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
You are exactly right...the vapors...fumes of gasoline are killers...never and I mean never even created a spark around gas fumes not to mention gasoline itself....I would never use gas to start a fire...lighter fluid or diesel yes...gas is wanting to get a Darwin award...
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08-21-2012, 09:07 AM #5Bronze Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
I remember my dad used to light the grill with gasoline until one day when the wind was just right and he waited a little to long to throw the match onto the charcoal. The fumes had settled around his ankles and he ended burning the hair off his lower legs. He started using starter fluid after that. I've never used gasoline because of that lesson.
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08-21-2012, 10:35 AM #6Super Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
I did some research on Google this morning and one of the sites I visited stated that a gallon of fully vaporized gasoline (I assume it has to be fresh also) has the explosive power equal to 14 sticks of dynamite. About three years ago I had a lot of mail to burn (credit card offers, etc) so I piled about two cubic feet of the stuff on my bonfire pit, poured about a cup of gasoline on it, then stood back about 25 feet and threw a tin can containing a lit paper towel soaked with paint thinner onto the pile. WHOOOMMMMPPPP....my wife said the explosion rattled the windows in the house 120 feet away. Every since then, for fire starting I have used either old motor oil or diesel fuel.
Oh, and by the way...the fellow who lit that burn pile and was killed along with his sister was quite clearly in violation of the burning regulations in his township...locally here there is no way a burning permit would be issued for a two story pile in the middle of the summer. Anyone burning over half a cubic yard must be inspected by the fire department and given a written permit for ANY TIME OF THE YEAR. I burnt a one-story pile two years ago and they had me wait until the middle of the winter to do that when there was a foot of snow on the ground.Always be willing to admit your shortcomings, there is no shame in not knowing how to do something. The shame is in NOT admitting you don't know how to do it.
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Never be ashamed of making a mistake. The only people who never (bleep) up are people who never try to do something new.
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08-21-2012, 11:32 AM #7Silver Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
My daughter goes to A&M and knows too well the dangers of "building" a fire, whether it be doused with gasoline or not.
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08-21-2012, 11:34 AM #8Platinum Member
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08-21-2012, 11:44 AM #9Gold Member
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Re: Siblings killed in bonfire explosion
That's a sad story. People just don't realize what the vapors can do. That used to include me.
Years ago, I needed to burn an old deer carcass my dogs drug home, and decided to do it in my burn barrel. Because I didn't have any old gas or charcoal lighter fluid, I had the bright idea to use paint thinner. Thankfully I had enough sense to move the paint thinner can a long way back from the burn barrel, and thought I'd be able to just light and then toss a small piece of scrap wood into the barrel without any problem. Boy, was I wrong.......still singed my eyebrows, and thankfully only got a mild "suntan". Could have turned out a lot worse. I also used to use "dead" gas for starting brush piles, but I've gotten a lot smarter since the paint thinner episode.GGB
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08-21-2012, 01:04 PM #10
Gasoline vapor is about 10 times heavier than air so...it will always find the low area. I have used gasoline to light fires (only about 1/4 cup)
The process I utilize is this;
1. Make sure you know there are no coals left
from previous fires
2. Build your burn pile of material-paper,cardboard,kindling, Gas, Fire wood
3. Use a BBQ lighter taped to a broom handle
4. Light lighter and stand upwind and approach with lighter at ground level
5. Many times the vapors will ignite from a few feet away and create a substantial flash "whoof"
A friend of mine as a kid saw his uncle using "gasoline" to light a campfire so he tried to replicate. The 2 gallon jerry can ignited as he poured because there where hot coals from the previous night.
He lost his eyebrows, most hair on arms and head and suffered second degree burns. Lucky!
The "gasoline" his uncle was using was really Kerosene.ericher69
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