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    Sprayer Re: Rotary vs DC pump for sprayer

    With the little tanks, the 12v pump doesn't have to move much volume on bypass to keep things agitated sufficiently.

    It's a completely different matter with a 60gal tank. The 12V pumps simply lack...
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    Re: Tractor cab in sunny states

    If you're going to be on the tractor all day, heat or no heat, it's much less tiring to be in a climate controlled cab, with the radio on.

    The dust, dirt, bugs chewing on ya, and other negatives...
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    Re: PTO shaft stuck on tractor

    Good to hear something positive is my fault for a change.:D

    Stuff happens.

    Ask me how many times I have forgotten that the weed whacker is left hand threaded.;)
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    Re: PTO shaft stuck on tractor

    Just a suggestion.

    Unhook the tiller, and pull forward to seperate the shaft.

    That way you have more room to wiggle, and swing a dead blow hammer.

    It will come off.

    I'm in the camp with...
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    Re: So much for a Nissan Leaf!

    Makes more sense than shilling Coal powered cars that are labeled as "Emissions free".

    Some folks value honesty, over politicaly correct lies.
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    Re: Right time to buy bulk fuel

    Don'tcha just love all the stupid regs and tax inconsistencys?

    Farm fuel should be tax free, and can be. The Distributors just don't like to deal with the liabilitys other than waiving the road...
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    Re: Why are bing sweet cherries so expensive?

    Wait a couple weeks on the Blueberrys and the price will be better.;)
    Ga. is just starting to hit thier stride, and your local guys are just starting to worry about harvest.

    Expect 2 bucks pound...
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    Re: Why are bing sweet cherries so expensive?

    That's part of it.
    The Polish crop got clobbered with fungus issues and it's leaving a big gap on the supply side.
    Our growers down here are already sold out and they havn't even harvested yet.
    ...
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    Re: Ford 1900 dipstick length

    Welcome to the site!!

    The missing dip stick is about 5" long.

    Your local NH dealer can get you one. Odds are they will have to order it though, and it wont be cheap.
    We have a 1920 and I...
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    Re: Another Woods Tillers Question

    You did REAL good on that tiller.
    That thing hasn't seen more than a couple acres yet. The tine ends are still square!


    540rpm should be @ 2700 on your 4200
    Look at your Tach and there will be...
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    92B

    Went and talked to a local grower with a fairly large collection of Orchards this morning.

    He's Got 2 you would be interested in.

    A 350 gallon Berthoud PTO driven he keeps as a back up....
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    92b

    No dice at the McCormick/ LS dealer. The unit he had out front was new Turbo Mist 350 series, and it lasted all of 6 days before it was snapped up.

    Heads up on a PM.
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    HOLY COW!!!!!!!!

    That thing is rode hard and put away wet, on top of bieng a museum piece!

    Finding parts would be impossible, even if the old Kaiser motor might still be running for now.
    The...
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    Re: Right time to buy bulk fuel

    Yep.

    This year has been a quandry. The Wholesale prices havn't really moved much for 5 weeks.

    With the fricass brewing in the Ukraine, our friends overseas are stocking up as well as buying...
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    92b,

    Heads up on a PM...

    Heading to take a look at a couple Berthouds and will get back to you here.
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    Double tap..oops.
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    I gotta run to the Orchard supply shop in the morning to pick up TeeJet tips. I'll look and ask if anyone is looking to trade in or sell when they get a new sprayer.

    They had an older Jacto 400...
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    Re: orchard sprayer.

    I might be able to help.
    Got a couple and this whole region is heavy in Orchards with several brands and dealers that carry Orchard equipment.

    Saw that you are spraying 70A.
    Forget the engine...
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    Re: Winter to Summer Diesel Change Over

    Jaydee,

    One of the nice things about Richardsons in Lawrence is thier pumps on account.

    Get signed up, and you just fill the transfer tank whenever you need, using the card swipe.
    If you buy...
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    Re: Question about age of diesel

    When you set the tank, raise the pump end a couple inches so water and rust etc. settles away from the pick up.

    Most tanks have the fill port on that end anyhow. After the tank has sat for a day,...
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    Re: Winter to Summer Diesel Change Over

    Jaydee,

    If I'm guessing right, you're just north of me a ways.

    That puts you in the Flemming Bros. delivery area..which is a good/bad thing.

    Good because they turn over a high volume, and...
  22. Re: Cutting out flooring close to a wall question

    I have used a small side grinder with a cut off wheel a couple times for stuff like that.

    Jamb saws work well too. Stupid things are handy for 100's of things you never think of when you don't...
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    Re: Oil bath hubs

    The air space is to allow for expansion of the fluid as it warms.

    No room to expand, means it can't expand without becoming pressurized and leaking past seals, and onto important bits..like pads,...
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    Re: Non Ethanol gasoline

    Dear lord. People have lost thier minds.

    NO!!

    Plain old Gasoline, with no ethanol in it...PURE Gasoline...the original stuff won't burn too hot for air cooled motors period.
    Folks have been...
  25. Re: What do you call getting unstuck using the FEL?

    Crab, as in "I had to crab it out with the Bucket", which is a carryover of doing the same thing with and excavator or loder/Backhoe.

    Been doing a lot of it lately.
  26. Re: Home Invasion...Short scary video...Be prepared...!

    Army,

    The NRA sticks with training, competition, Safety, marksmanship, and hunting.

    You wouldn't know it by listening to the anti-self defense and anti-gun types though.
    They are selectively...
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    Tiller Re: Tillers; Why buy anything but County Line?

    Find a Woods dealer. Go eyeball the tillers in all three ranges.
    Then eyeball the wretched crap sold at TSC.

    The Tillers sold under the LS sticker will have slight differences from the KK....
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    Re: Are there other uses for bar & chain oil?

    GP oil in the pump can, for use on just about everything that needs oiling, especially stuff that is outdoors and exposed to the elements.

    Our old Harvester is Roller chain driven at all four...
  29. Re: Goldenrod Water Block Filters Anybody Use Them

    Not sure if it will work with your tank design, but when you set up the tank pad, add a 1-2" bias towards the end opposite of the pump.

    Water heads to the lowest point as it accumulates.
    Simply...
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    Re: Max Towing With Chevrolet 2500HD 2004

    You should be fine.

    Gooseneck or not.

    We frequently pull 12-14,000 with our 03' 2500HD, on a pintle hitch. The 6.0 does fine unless things get hilly.
    It's definately noticeable, but with...
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    Re: Diesel cold weather issues

    Dunno about you guys, but I set up the skid tanks to favor the end away from the pump, by about 2".

    That way I can drop a length of siphon hose into that end and rack off a couple quarts, put it...
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    Re: shelf life: premium vs reg?

    Gents, just a suggestion.

    Marathon Recreation 90 and 91 Gas.
    Ethanol free, lead free.
    Most Marinas sell it as "Marine Gas" if they are allowed to sell ethanol free.
    MOST dirt tracks, and small...
  33. Re: COLD winter questions. Kerosene as an additive? Whats winter diesel?

    Battery Tender, Katz magnetic oil pan/block heater, will get you by on starting, and wont break the bank.

    The bigger issue is summer fuel going hazy(Parafin separating out) or gelling in the cold....
  34. 3-Point Hitch Re: Why do you slack the check chains for plowing type stuff?

    Smack the subsoiler into an unseen rock, and with some slack, the path of least resistance can be found and followed by the implement.

    If you had the thing cinched up tight, finding the path of...
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    Re: firewood question

    Silver Maple does that.
    It goes to pooch real quick if left in ground contact, or constantly damp.
    Given good airflow and kept dry, it holds up for 2-3 years here, where the humidty is akin to a...
  36. Re: Man suffers injuries while fighting off 3 attacking coyotes (Colorado)

    When times are tough, and small prey animals are scarce due to an expanding 'yote population(Due to a lack of hunting/trapping), they will pack up and use pack tactics to take down larger prey.
    ...
  37. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Hey California!!

    Go get a case of Velpar, and apply at 2qts an Acre, or whatever the label rate is for your state.
    Next spring the canes will start to break leaf buds, and then croak, roots &...
  38. Re: Detroit Mower Gang on CNN Giving unruly tractors a good name!

    You mean lawn mowers.
  39. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Larry,
    Crossbow applied at label rates wont affect grass at all. The primary component is 2-4-D, and the stuff has been used for 50 some years in weed-N-Feed.
    Give it 3-4 weeks after applying...
  40. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Yep!, the first one is a shredder blade, that is a direct copy of the Blade Oregon/Windsor used to sell.
    2mm for the lighter brush cutters, 3mm for the heavier ones.

    Husqvarna and Stihl both...
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    Re: Best implement for snow removal

    450' isn't that long of a drive to deal with using a back blade, and a loader, as long as you get ahead and stay ahead of the slop coming down, and don't have much of an incline to fight. Things can...
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    Re: What's your favorite Honey?

    Early spring Cherry/Blueberry/Blackberry/Locust blossom is what we get from the Beekeeper that does our pollination.

    I dunno how anyone gets specific blossom honey, because the little boogers hit...
  43. Thread: ford 2120

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    Oil & Fuel Re: ford 2120

    Filter should be around 10 bucks, and whatever Rotella T goes for at the local Wal-Mart, TSC or NAPA.

    All up I'd guess 40 bucks, plus whatever fuzzy water is consumed in the process.
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    Toplink Re: Need a shorter top link

    McCormick/Landini dealer should be able to source a Cat-2 shorty, that will be about the same length as the CAT-0 at TSC.

    Just need to use a 2-1 sleeve.
  45. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Nah!!

    Just the usual Jeans and good eyepro needed, but a forestry helmet with mesh visor and chainsaw chaps really helps with wading around in the brambles and greenbrier.

    The bits of...
  46. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Tom, if you're in Kalamazoo, Landers hardware in Bangor, has a few of the Oregon shredder blades left in stock.
    Not sure if they are the std. or heavy jobs though, which doesn't matter as long as...
  47. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Not similar at all, and frankly, the three bladed jobs are a joke in brambles.

    The Shredder blades are turned down at the ends, and chop up the horizontal canes, while the straight edge of the...
  48. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Tom,

    Look for a shredder blade for fencelines and around overgrown outbuildings. They make quick work of Brambles,woodbine and greenbrier.
    Husqvarna has them now, but Oregon used to, and when...
  49. Re: Help! How to clear a black berry thicket covered in thorny vines?

    Chop with the Brush bull, spritz stubble with Crossbow. Repeat in a month to catch stragglers.

    Fall is the best time to murder Caneberrys with herbicides, as it is the only time of the year that...
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    Looking for 1920 rear rim

    When she was new back in the day, chloride was still the in thing.
    We changed her over to rimsaver several years ago when new tires went on, but by then the damage was done, and it finally got punky...
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    Re: Pins: Best type Overall

    I'm not sure why it is that you are losing pins, but normally, if there isn't a lot of slop to begin with, the lynch pins don't get beaten into breaking or falling off.

    Take up a little more slop...
  52. Re: What is the best way tp prepare flood prone field for planting

    4" drain tile every 30' for drainage to the ditch, and plant on slightly elevated beds.

    Instead of brush hogging between the trees, just band spray Glyphosate and a good pre-emerge matched to the...
  53. Thread: Engine oil

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    Re: Engine oil

    "Better" Is actually relative.

    Plain old Rotella T is the standard by which all others are measured. Some are "Better" due to add packs that address one aspect or another slightly better, most...
  54. Thread: Engine oil

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    Re: Engine oil

    Plain old Rotella 15-40 will do just fine.
  55. Re: Is there anything I can spray on equipment to prevent winter rust?

    Unless you're dumping gallons of it, the naturally occurring microbes in the soil will break down oils rather quickly, and before it gets to the water table.

    It's the nasty compounds created by...
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    Re: New 5075E with PowrReverser Delivery

    So you popped for the 540E. Good move, and it will pay for itself in short order when mowing light stuff, or running a PTO sprayer pump.
    When running a cannon sprayer, I figured out the E-PTO saves...
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    Re: New 5075E with PowrReverser Delivery

    Congrats on the new Tractor!!
    You're gonna love the thing shortly. I never thought I would, but dangit, Deere the last two generations absolutely right and spot on.
    Even got me over my hatred of...
  58. Re: What does it mean when you have a "synchronized" transmission?

    First synchro geared tractor I ever saw was our Landini 85F. Then after a visit to Europe I figured out why the Euro market tractors are now mostly synchro.

    Over there, they drive considerable...
  59. Re: rusty steel for new designer kitchen doors how do I get the right rust patina

    Birchwood Casey Plum brown.

    Works very well on mild steel, and the depth of the reaction can be controlled.

    Brownells carries it, as does Midway.
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    Re: How much horsepower do I need?

    I'd look at something used in the 50-70hp range, at the very least.
    The more the better, and you'll be working it less.
    You can get away with a smaller rig, if you have the time and choose the...
  61. Rotary Cutter Re: Need advise on what rotary Cutter I should buy?

    Woods makes the better chopper period, and for heavy brush, it's the better option.

    The power of your bota should suffice, but expect a slower spin up than with lighter units.
    The advantage goes...
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    Re: To buy or not to buy - sprayer

    Get the sprayer, or fab up one yourself.

    The advantages of being able to spray when YOU need, and adjust rate, as well as fertilize and apply fungicides/insecticides, beats the pants off of hiring...
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    Re: People's Republic of Michigan

    Take a look at the Twp. Zoning ordnances, specifically the blight ordnances, and pay close attention to the verbiage used.

    Usually, but not always, it comes down to being observed from the road...
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    Re: Cleaning my new 3800

    Plain old garden hose to get the big chunks off. Then the pressure washer.
    Then the grease gun and oil can.

    I spray a LOT, and have to pressure wash the tractors afterwards to get the caustic...
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    Re: Cleaning my new 3800

    Plain old garden hose to get the big chunks off. Then the pressure washer.
    Then the grease gun and oil can.

    I spray a LOT, and have to pressure wash the tractors afterwards to get the caustic...
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    Re: Ground hornets, Not honey bees

    Head to the local Ag supply shop, NOT TSC, garden centers or the other Chinamart box stores.

    You will have better results from Imadaclorpid. Admire pro, Provado, or Pasada, ground applied and...
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    Re: Which brand to buy

    Husqvarna or Stihl.

    Head to the nearest dealers of each, and decide which dealer you like best.

    Both offer solid saws in their pro lines, and both dominate the industry, for the same reason....
  68. Re: Hydraulic oil reuse? Lubrication properties?.

    Usually by the time hydro is changed, it's broken down a good bit.

    For GP lube used on stuff around the barn and house, it does fine.
    I keep a bit handy for filling the oil can. Hinges, pins,...
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    Re: After 7 1/2 month... LTC in the mail

    WHAT?

    So the point of going through all the hoops, was to legally keep a sidearm in the house?

    Bub, you don't need training, you need to move to the United states.
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    Re: "brush hog" gear oil and level.

    Same here.

    Best part is not getting poison Ivy from crawling under the deck.
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    Re: Blitz Fuel can parts?

    The hardware store should sell cane tips...the rubber thing on the end of walking canes.

    They work almost perfectly.
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    Re: REAL LIFE TOUGH-GUYS LIST

    Dan Price.

    Matt Shimeck

    Charles Cathie

    Mike Burghard

    Larry Miyamoto
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    Re: Cab owners - How well does your A/C work?

    96' Landini 85F Advantage= Keeps up quite well, as long as the crud and dust is kept out of the condenser, and the HEPA filter is replaced every season.
    When it's in the 90's, with our typical high...
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    Re: Using DR PTO trimmer on Cat 2 Tractor?

    Looking forward to the review.

    What are you mounting the thing on?
  75. Re: Please tell me who made this brush hog.

    That sorta "OOOOPS!" is pretty common, and you don't need to sweat it much.

    ANY real Tractor shop, will have replacement tube and a good Shop hand, that can press and pin a new shaft on your...
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    Oil & Fuel Re: Best way to handle fuel for equipment

    Bulk tank.

    Heck, a home heating oil tank will work just fine, and wont cost but a couple hundred dollars.

    Call around to the local fuel distributors, and ask about Min. delivery without...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Not having any other fields around, will definitely keep your diseases down. Consider yourself spoiled!

    Dunno about the value of unsprayed but not Organic Cert., If the others are getting the same...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    2 bucks for U-pick? seriously? Call me jealous.
    Take that as long as you can...over here it's a buck at most places, and 10lb boxes are going for 22-24 bucks.

    Pickers are getting paid 45-55 cents...
  79. Re: US 2012 Census of Agriculture....I'm not happy

    Prison?

    It sounds like it's gonna be a Dog pound, because a bunch of us Mutts didn't comply.

    I had a nice lady call, right on the heels of the PETA freaks getting specific farm info from the...
  80. Re: ID these weird bee looking things swarming around sand pile

    Cicada Killers.

    We have them here, and encourage them by leaving them alone.

    They are curious about anything moving through their "Holding pattern" and will swoop in, if you walk through, but...
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    Re: Not much use for my 4WD yet

    Was that some sort of Art project for the class at a local junior college or something?

    Abstract contemporary art, in natural mediums sorta thing, and you went Rural rather than Urban in...
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    Re: Poison ivy - what to do with it

    Yeah, that didn't come out right. By downwind I was meaning downwind of egress route, to avoid smoke and the whoof.

    Our Blackberry goes fully dormant in the winter here. The Blackberry you guys...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Pannu,

    Just had a Growers meeting.
    Hang onto your shorts, wallet, and nail down everything of value.

    The processors are looking to cut a fat hog and rip off the growers again.

    $1.10lb for...
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    Re: Poison ivy - what to do with it

    Wait a year, three is better, burn in winter, late in the afternoon when the wind lays down, and everyone is inside.
    Use enough accelerant to avoid ANY initial smolder, and compact the piles for a...
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    Re: Incontinent sprayer

    Open up the valve and clean it out, remove the wand tip and clean it out, and blow the wand clean.

    90% of the time, it's dirt or chem residue build, up slowing the valve to seat, or slight...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Pannu,

    Have 30A in production currently, more coming on line in a couple years.

    Of the new varietys, the only ones that seem to be viable around here are Spartan, and the Patriots.
    Libertys...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    David,

    We are in Covert and South Haven.

    The Weymouths are into 20% and the Bluettas have leaders coming into 70-80% blue.

    I figure two weeks and we will be picking in the blue crop fields,...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Clemson,

    Dunno. If I had to guess from your description, you bought 1yr old rooted cuttings, or 1 yr old rooted "Clones" from tissues.
    They can be finicky when planted that young, and quite...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    "Top Killed"? Did you guys get an early frost last fall, or late freeze this spring?
    Usually, new growth dying back on newly planted bushes, is related to frost, or Phomopsis.
    Sometimes though,...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Start of last year? IIRC it was 1.30 at most of the processors, give or take a nickle or two. It was lower during the early season though.
    Posted price dosn't mean anything much either. Most have...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    I'll sell ya a dadgum Semi-trailer full for $1.50lb, and spare you the headaches of growing your own.:laughing:

    In your area, the mid-late season High bush varietys will do well. Jerseys are a...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Jerseys, and Bluecrop primarily. Got several rows of older varietys, Pembertons, Rubles, Stanleys, and Darrows, just because I enjoy beating myself up.;)

    Trellised? I don't think I have ever seen...
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    Re: Slow blueberries

    Up here we are approx 300GDD @ Base 50 behind 2012, so even the Weymouths are 2 weeks late.

    Not really a bad thing, because the Cranberry fruit worm moths are still flying and laying eggs, and...
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    Re: Using DR PTO trimmer on Cat 2 Tractor?

    OK, I now officially hate you guys.

    I have been eyballing and lusting after a weed badger for years now.
    This thing is even better, because it is much more simple, and dosn't rely on hydraulics...
  95. Re: Came up behind this on the way home from work today.....

    LS, or one of the CNH clones?

    The local dealer has the P7030 going for 43K with a loader.
    Bang for the buck, it's darn tough to beat LS, even without the NH stickers on 'em.
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    Re: Mow septic field or not

    Get after it with a Brush saw or really heavy trimmer like the Stihl FS250, so you can get in there with the mower maybe?

    18" is kind of shallow, and he's right about compacting the clay, but...
  97. Re: Stumps, Salt, and a little help from our friends

    Better yet, put a couple salt blocks on the stump.

    The critters get used to the easy salt by the time they melt into the stump and ground.
    Then they go after the stump.

    An easier way is to...
  98. Re: Difficult Dangerous Brush Hog mowing job to do for pay.

    One word.

    No.

    3K wont even cover the cost of the E-Room nurse jabbing you with the Tetnus needle.

    If some other fool, wants to take the ride on a flipping tractor, let them.

    40 degrees on...
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    Re: Blackberring clearing

    Hit 'em with Garlon. Come back a week later with the brush mower, and go slow.

    A flail chopper would work, but seeing as how you don't know exactly whats in the tangles, stick with the Brush...
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    Re: Property line border

    Talk to the neighbor. Introduce yourself, and explain your intentions.
    He may be thinking about needing a fence to keep all the city refugess honest.

    Seriously, most times fences aren't needed,...
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