Lubricity

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ERE

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This is a topic that has as many opinions as there are owners, but I just got an education so I thought I'd share it since even off road fuel is now ULSD. I've owned a bunch of diesel cars and tractors over the years, and prior to retiring had a lot more professional experience with big diesels, but I never really tripped onto the implications to our machines that occurred when the US fuel supply shifted to Ultra low sulfur diesel. I was pulled into this because I own a common rail diesel car and since common rails run at much higher pressure than older diesel technology, they are at proportionally larger risk. There are many high pressure fuel pump failures that people attribute to poor US fuel. Here in bullet form is some of what I have learned.

- The process of making ULSD strips out almost all of the lubricity needed by pumps and injectors.

- The EPA, when they set the new standard, set the lubricity standard at 520 microns (lower is better). This is a measure of the wear scar produced on a device called a high frequency reciprocating rig, HFRR.

- Both the Engine Manufacturers Association and Bosh, one of the largest manufactures of diesel fuel injector components, say that a wear scar of 460 or less is needed to prevent premature failure of components. Some sources say 400 or lower is what is needed.

- It is difficult to impossible to determine what your local diesel fuel is. Manufactures are tight mouthed about ratings and fuel supplies vary a lot in different locations with season and changing of jobbers. About all you can depend on is that the fuel is >40 cetane and < 520 wear scar.

- Fuel additives claim a lot of things but few show any evidence of testing to the customer so we are left with trying to guess what a good additive is. Most seem to be aimed at anti gell and cetane improvement. Some say they improve lubricity but don't say by how much.

- Bio diesel is one of the best lubricity fuels there is, and a mix of 2% bio will put you well into the acceptable range.

- Bio has some drawbacks as you go to higher percentage mixes, so if you intend to use it, should understand how long it can be stored, its propensity for water, and it's propensity for diluting your engine lube oil. In general these are not issues at low percent mixes.

Ok, thats enough of that. I now use a lubricity additive in the fuel for the three diesels I currently own. I don't worry much about cetane but in the winter I do concern myself a little with gelling. Here is a web site that has actual laboratory testing results for lubricity improvement for a bunch of additives. Note this is not the original document, but a copy of it. I once found the lab report, but can't find it any more. This however appears to be a direct cut and paste. It also gives you a good guide as to how much of each additive is needed to get a given improvement. Note that some additives actually reduce lubricity.
TDIClub Forums - View Single Post - Addative Study

Here is a study by Wayne State University giving more info than I wanted to know about bio. http://www.eng.wayne.edu/user_files/414/file/Quick_Upload/Lubricity_ Kapila(1).pdf

Here is a DOE study that pretty much says that engine oil dilution in biodiesel ratios up to 20% seems to be acceptable. The dilution happens, but bio seems to have such good lubricity that it doesn't affect the lube oil properties too adversely.

http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/npbf/pdfs/44833.pdf


This is a long post - sorry. There is a ton of information and opinion on the web in the various Ford, VW, Cummins, etc websites. I think everyone should make up their own mind on what to do. So for what it's worth, the above is offered as a starting point to save you some time if you haven't already tripped to this problem (as I hadn't).
 
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If you look in the history forums , you can compare notes on this subject, i know i used MMO, until i read it months ago...
 
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So it seems like adding 1 or 2% of biodiesel is a great way to add lubricity. I think I will get some B20 (for long storage life) and then add it at 10 or 20 to 1 to my regular diesel. If I get a 5 gallon jug of B20 it would be used up in probably 4 months, which I think should be fine.
Anyone see any problems with my plan?
 
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So it seems like adding 1 or 2% of biodiesel is a great way to add lubricity. I think I will get some B20 (for long storage life) and then add it at 10 or 20 to 1 to my regular diesel. If I get a 5 gallon jug of B20 it would be used up in probably 4 months, which I think should be fine.
Anyone see any problems with my plan?

I don't think there is anything wrong with your plan. You need to be aware that Biodiesel has a shelf life so don't let it sit around for more than 6-8 months. You should also read the other info. I would always use 2% bio in my car and tractors if it was available here. Here is another government site that will tell you everything you ever want to know about bio and probably a lot you aren't interested in.

http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/43672.pdf
 
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Is this why I read guys putting a quart of transmission fluid in their fuel tank?

I have a 300 gal diesel tank. When it gets filled I add a gallon of Power service and the proper amount of biocide. I will not put Biodiesel in there, so what other additive it recommended for lubricity?
 
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This is a topic that has as many opinions as there are owners, but I just got an education so I thought I'd share it since even off road fuel is now ULSD...

This is a very good post and you should repost it in the Owning/Operating forum for a wider audience.
If you contact one of the mods (Bird, for example) or an Administrator (Bri); they can move the thread for you.
 
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Is this why I read guys putting a quart of transmission fluid in their fuel tank?

I have a 300 gal diesel tank. When it gets filled I add a gallon of Power service and the proper amount of biocide. I will not put Biodiesel in there, so what other additive it recommended for lubricity?

Power service wrote a good letter saying that their product improved lubricity more than the laboratory test showed. It's on the web but I cant find it now. To get the full list of products tested and the results, open the firs link in the first post. It starts with TDI club.........
 
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So it seems like adding 1 or 2% of biodiesel is a great way to add lubricity. I think I will get some B20 (for long storage life) and then add it at 10 or 20 to 1 to my regular diesel. If I get a 5 gallon jug of B20 it would be used up in probably 4 months, which I think should be fine.
Anyone see any problems with my plan?

Bio Diesel is NOT RECOMMENDED by KIOTI for use in their injection systems. It may be a great way to add lubriity to your diesel fuel - I would say NO. Add KIOTI's additive or Lucas, FPPF, or Stanadyne for best performance. You need to also boost your Cetane level's.

Tony
 
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Bio Diesel is NOT RECOMMENDED by KIOTI for use in their injection systems. It may be a great way to add lubriity to your diesel fuel - I would say NO. Add KIOTI's additive or Lucas, FPPF, or Stanadyne for best performance. You need to also boost your Cetane level's.

Tony
But if you read the testing done on the TDI forum link, Lucas and FPPF either made the lubricity worse or at best did nothing. The Stanadyne was some improvement atleast. Who knows what Kioti's additive actually does? Do they submit their additive to independent testing?
Also what happens in all the states where only diesel with some biodiesel is available?
 
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This thread is dumb. Does it mean I'll only get 4000 hours out of my engine instead of 6000? I'm more concerned about meteor strikes and shark bites.
 

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