Kubota M59 and Trailer, Weight ?

Big Wave D · Jan 17, 2012

Goosen1,
Thank you for you sage words of advice. I will do that, if I decide to go down that road. I have been toying with the idea of getting a large sized work truck, something more than a one ton or so pickup. I know that even these can now days get you into hot water because of their rated capacities.

So far, it seems that it hasn't been worth taking on the hassle.

I guess that getting the CDL is probably the route for most piece of mind; however, the expense of obtaining and maintaining don't make this a particularly great choice either.

Doing any side work makes you already in violation of not having a CDL, as I understand it. Yes, it has been stated about all the lawn care business and how they seemingly skirt the law.

How does the law come down on having someone with a CDL getting your tractor to the work-site, then you doing the work once the tractor is on site?

You have paid for a commercially licensed individual to transport the tractor to and from the job. Does it matter that you are making money with it once it gets there?

Big Wave D · Jan 17, 2012

buck1974,
Sorry about semi-hijacking your post.

You've posed a question that I have wondered about for a long time, as well as many others.

I'm not sure that anyone can really give everyone a definitive answer, as so much seems to be dependent on where, state - country, you live. Also, there seems to be nuances from region to region with one's own borders.

It truly boils down to the man/woman who pulled you over and how they are interpreting the laws they are sworn to uphold.

I just had a friend regale me with some tales of his dealings with a local DOT enforcer. They did not seem to have a real good grasp on what they are supposed to be enforcing. The friend didn't argue, but some things were not quite ringing true as he was told them to be by another DOT employee.

In the end, it really seems like everyone has to do their own due diligence and investigate as thoroughly as they can for what they are planning on using/doing. Then, when you feel like you've followed the regs to the best of your ability, dip your toes into the water and sink or swim on your own merits of preparedness.

God speed and good luck to all.

Duffster · Jan 18, 2012

Goosen1 said:
Unfortunately you must of stopped reading after the first two sentences.

Farm equipment is often exempt unless the vehicle has air brakes. Then you are required to have a CDL. If you have any questions about weight limits or restrictions you should call your local DMV and ask them what is required. Or even better find a state patrol officer that specializes in DOT regulations and ask him. If that doesn't make you happy, Go to a weigh station and ask the officer in there and he will give you the correct answer.

That fine you can do that if you want. Then get run around like BWD and not get an answer to your question and worse yet be more confused then when you started.

Why ask a LEO the law anyway. Wouldn't you be better off asking a lawyer?

Your comments aboot air brakes are still incorrect.

LOL. I stopped once at the local scale to talk to the CMVI that manned that scale. I asked what the weight limit was on my gooseneck that has 2 7k axles. Expecting to hear GVWR, license weight, tire rating, axle rating etc. I was told it was 34k (bridge law).

Duffster · Jan 18, 2012

Duffster said:
Are you saying that everyone towing a trailer needs a CDL?

So DSGSR, is that what you are saying here?

Duffster · Jan 22, 2012

Duffster said:
dsgsr said:

Class B: any single vehicle with a gross vehicle
weight rating or registered weight of 26,001 or
more pounds or any such vehicle towing a
vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds gross
vehicle weight rating or gross weight A Class B
license is a commercial driver痴 license. Holders
of a Class B license may, with any appropriate
endorsements, operate all vehicles in Class C;]

Click to expand...

DSGSR, using your reasoning then you would need a CDL for any trailer.

Isn't that the logical conclusion using your reasoning?

Duffster · Feb 25, 2012

Duffster said:
So DSGSR, is that what you are saying here?

Duffster said:
Isn't that the logical conclusion using your reasoning?

Bump for DSGSR.

AKfish · Feb 26, 2012

There's a couple of unfortunate things going on here... that has led to continued confusion and misinformation!

IMO - the worst offense is that no one has posted the legal requirements from their respective states. Some excerpts - clipping's - that are incomplete and possibly out of context.

And the backbiting... good grief!

This is a confounding enough subject without the petty p!ssing on each other's shoes!

I have "gleaned" at least one beneficial kernal of information here - the regulations are based upon the manufacturer's weight RATING'S. Not the actual weight. Did not know that previously.

Thank you, for that.

Additionally, it now appears that I've been "illegal" as well when hauling across the western half of the North American Continent. My truck is rated for 22,000lbs CGVWR and my gooseneck trailer is rated for 15,700lbs CGVWR.

While, I have not consistently hauled more than 15.7K (a couple of times..); I often (nearly always) haul 12,000lbs +.

So, the "take away" message I've gotten here... is I need to get a CDL. Right...??

AKfish

Duffster · Feb 26, 2012

AKfish said:
There's a couple of unfortunate things going on here... that has led to continued confusion and misinformation!

IMO - the worst offense is that no one has posted the legal requirements from their respective states. Some excerpts - clipping's - that are incomplete and possibly out of context.

And the backbiting... good grief!

This is a confounding enough subject without the petty p!ssing on each other's shoes!

I have "gleaned" at least one beneficial kernal of information here - the regulations are based upon the manufacturer's weight RATING'S. Not the actual weight. Did not know that previously.

Thank you, for that.

Additionally, it now appears that I've been "illegal" as well when hauling across the western half of the North American Continent. My truck is rated for 22,000lbs CGVWR and my gooseneck trailer is rated for 15,700lbs CGVWR.

While, I have not consistently hauled more than 15.7K (a couple of times..); I often (nearly always) haul 12,000lbs +.

So, the "take away" message I've gotten here... is I need to get a CDL. Right...??

AKfish

Trucks and trailers don't have a CGVWR individually. CGVWR would be the GVWR of your truck and trailer added together.

In order to decide if you need a CDL or not we would need to know the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of your trailer.

AKfish · Feb 27, 2012

Duffster said:
Trucks and trailers don't have a CGVWR individually. CGVWR would be the GVWR of your truck and trailer added together.

In order to decide if you need a CDL or not we would need to know the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of your trailer.

I'll check in the morning..

AKfish

AKfish · Feb 28, 2012

There's another thread on this subject is posted in the general owner's/operating forum with the heading .... L46, etc. etc.

Nonetheless, my truck's rating is 22K @ GCVWR and the trailer is 15.7K GVWR.

More thought's..?

Thanks.

AKfish