Chevy Volt Halted. Who did not see this coming?

5030 · Mar 13, 2012

MasseyWV said:
Is this thread about the Chevy Volt or about politics?

I'd say the Volt and politics and Obama are pretty well intertwined.

I wonder if Obama drives a volt? I wonder if he actually has a drivers license?

MasseyWV · Mar 13, 2012

houstonscott said:
Not sure you understand what politics means.

I understand precisely what politics means, to me. But that's the problem, politics means something different to everyone, which is likely why the government is such a mess.

houstonscott said:
Discussing this is not politics, no one has mentioned a political party or asked you to vote a certain way or for a person.

Discussing the Chevy Volt or General Motors is not politics, but mentioning President Obama or other political figures is. When a political figure is named, either in a positive or negative way, it's no different than asking someone to vote for or against them.

Look, I don't like Obama either, but is he any worse than other politicians? That's a rhetorical question by the way, because I know the answers will vary, to say the least.

2manyrocks · Mar 13, 2012

Depends on your frame of reference. Chicago politics has a unique reputation of its own.

crash325 · Mar 13, 2012

5030 said:
I'd say the Volt and politics and Obama are pretty well intertwined.

I wonder if Obama drives a volt? I wonder if he actually has a drivers license?

Obama & Biden are a Kiss of Death to almost every company they visit.

Bummer said "IN 5 Years He would buy a Volt".

Biden visits a Window Mfg. The next week the co lays off 1,500 workers.

There are (I may have lost count) 17 Green Company's going out of business and all but 1 were given Millions or Billions by Obama. Most of them were visited by Obama or Biden. AM sure it is only a coincidence, but all of those company's contributed or bundled for Obama. Not a chance that would be Crony Capitalism, with bummers sterling record of honesty.

powerpace · Mar 13, 2012

houstonscott said:
No one was tortured, that is clear. Water boarding is not torture, and could still be used today. There is a military definition of torture and water boarding doesn't met the definition.

HS

OLC Memos Define Official Waterboarding Procedure | waterboarding.org
waterboarding.org | "His sufferings must be that of a man who is drowning, but cannot drown." -Lt. Grover Flint, Philippine-American War
In 2007 it was reported that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was using waterboarding on extrajudicial prisoners and that the Department of Justice had authorized the procedure,[7][8] even though the United States government hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding US prisoners of war in World War II

I guess it just depends on who is pouring the water.
I believe if you waterboarded one of your children you would go to jail for a very long time.

Each President has his own mistakes and failings. What I see in the political comments here is a long term memory block to anything before 2009.

Rob-D · Mar 13, 2012

Cat_Driver said:
Yep one things about small cars they sure do save gas. BUT the other thing no one ever considers the damage during a crash.

NOTE the other vehicle in this picture......

My wife was driving a POS gas saver till I looked at it one day and wondered " how would this car do in a head on" , that week I sold it for a huge loss. I bought a large gas GUZZLER for for her the next day. About six months later she was hit head on by a drunk driver. I rolled up on the scene and she didn't have a scratch on her.

Nope - I will pay through the nose for gas all day long. I wouldn't trade saving any amount of money for safety.

By the way what is a leg or life going for these days. Anyone here willing to save $30K for their loved one...anyone, come on raise your hand. How about a leg, arm, kidney, brain damage, anyone willing to give up a leg for 30K?

Several factors contribute to crash safety, not just size. Maneuverability, distance inside the vehicle until a moving body meets an obstacle,etc. You don't need a gas guzzler to be safe. It's about crumple zones and G forces until impact. That's what Mercedes proved and why virtually every manufacturer today incorporates crumple zones. You can't always tell from a crash what has happened.

Rob

Rob-D · Mar 13, 2012

Electric cars are the future. Less moving parts and a greater field of development, discovery and invention. Fossil fuels are the past, you might as well go back to whale oil and candles.

I always find it funny that some people buck the future so adamantly. Did we stop running fossil fuels when we found out that smog was causing severe health problems? Did we stop buying gas cars when Ford Pintos were blowing up on impact? Did we stop buying gas cars when they were feeding the coffers of our enemies? No. But some people here are ready to see electrics stop because of problems.
What does that tell you? It tells you that a lot of people are terribly afraid of change and will cling to the past regardless of its futility.

By the way the oil companies, you know the ones dragging you around by ring through your nose, just love you and your inability to change.

Electric cars will bury fossil fuel cars once the bugs are worked out. My hat goes off to Nissan and the Leaf, Ford and the Focus and yes Chevy and the Volt. We need more courage and less myopic middle road fear that seems to envelop to many people and companies today. Where's the thinking that made this country great? If you ever want to see this country come back you better wake up to your fear of change.

Rob

deerefan · Mar 13, 2012

5030 said:
I'd say the Volt and politics and Obama are pretty well intertwined.

I wonder if Obama drives a volt? I wonder if he actually has a drivers license?

And this thread is still open why? It has become less and less about a car and more about politics...Geez, the title reeks of brand bashing. Let's get back to tow capacities and horsepower, you know, important things....

two_bit_score · Mar 13, 2012

houstonscott said:
The Chevy Volt is in production via fiat of Obama. Would have been cancelled long ago by a privatly owned company. The company is owned by the US. Discussing this is not politics, no one has mentioned a political party or asked you to vote a certain way or for a person. Not sure you understand what politics means. Discussing actions by the President of the USA is not political.

HS

MasseyWV;2754038 [B said:
Look, I don't like Obama either, but is he any worse than other politicians? That's a rhetorical question by the way, because I know the answers will vary, to say the least[/B].

Yes, Obama is much worse. Trying to excuse bad behavior by one party because it may nt be the worst behavior is wrong on it's face. But, Obama is the wort of the worst.

Please review houstonscott's post above again. It hits it dead on.

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powerpace · Mar 13, 2012

Rob-D said:
Electric cars are the future. Less moving parts and a greater field of development, discovery and invention. Fossil fuels are the past, you might as well go back to whale oil and candles.

I always find it funny that some people buck the future so adamantly. Did we stop running fossil fuels when we found out that smog was causing severe health problems? Did we stop buying gas cars when Ford Pintos were blowing up on impact? Did we stop buying gas cars when they were feeding the coffers of our enemies? No. But some people here are ready to see electrics stop because of problems.
What does that tell you? It tells you that a lot of people are terribly afraid of change and will cling to the past regardless of its futility.

By the way the oil companies, you know the ones dragging you around by ring through your nose, just love you and your inability to change.

Electric cars will bury fossil fuel cars once the bugs are worked out. My hat goes off to Nissan and the Leaf, Ford and the Focus and yes Chevy and the Volt. We need more courage and less myopic middle road fear that seems to envelop to many people and companies today. Where's the thinking that made this country great? If you ever want to see this country come back you better wake up to your fear of change.

Rob

The incentive to owning an electric car is lost on the American citizen. We don't have the consistantly high priced gasoline that other countrys have.
I hear people saying produce more oil. We are producing more oil and exporting more refined fuel than any year since 1949. We have an excess of fuel. Oil is a free market commodity. I hear people say that President should do something about the fuel prices.
If the President was able to control fuel prices and set prices we would yell "socialism". Oh. Wait I have heard that. I guess the "socialism" tag only applies to something that benefits other people.
The industrialized countrys are investing in electric and alternative fuel car research and incentives. The U.S. $2.4 billion, China $15 billion other countrys also investing high amounts of money in infrastructure and R&D.

During the 1890's and early part of last century the cars and trucks on the road were electric. Most all delivery vehicles were powered by battery.

Henry Fords' wife only drove electric cars.

two_bit_score · Mar 13, 2012

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powerpace said:
The incentive to owning an electric car is lost on the American citizen. We don't have the consistantly high priced gasoline that other countrys have.
I hear people saying produce more oil. We are producing more oil and exporting more refined fuel than any year since 1949. We have an excess of fuel. Oil is a free market commodity. I hear people say that President should do something about the fuel prices.
If the President was able to control fuel prices and set prices we would yell "socialism". Oh. Wait I have heard that. I guess the "socialism" tag only applies to something that benefits other people.
The industrialized countrys are investing in electric and alternative fuel car research and incentives. The U.S. $2.4 billion, China $15 billion other countrys also investing high amounts of money in infrastructure and R&D.

During the 1890's and early part of last century the cars and trucks on the road were electric. Most all delivery vehicles were powered by battery.

Henry Fords' wife only drove electric cars.

Pretty big jump from wanting the government to stop hindering oil production by his policies and wanting price controls n gasoline but that's what liberals do - misstate the argument for their own benefit.

You also sound like a parrot to Obama and Chu by saying how we would appreciate the electric cars more when gasoline prices are higher.

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rsewill · Mar 13, 2012

Rob-D said:
Electric cars are the future. Less moving parts and a greater field of development, discovery and invention. Fossil fuels are the past, you might as well go back to whale oil and candles.

I always find it funny that some people buck the future so adamantly. Did we stop running fossil fuels when we found out that smog was causing severe health problems? Did we stop buying gas cars when Ford Pintos were blowing up on impact? Did we stop buying gas cars when they were feeding the coffers of our enemies? No. But some people here are ready to see electrics stop because of problems.
What does that tell you? It tells you that a lot of people are terribly afraid of change and will cling to the past regardless of its futility.

By the way the oil companies, you know the ones dragging you around by ring through your nose, just love you and your inability to change.

Electric cars will bury fossil fuel cars once the bugs are worked out. My hat goes off to Nissan and the Leaf, Ford and the Focus and yes Chevy and the Volt. We need more courage and less myopic middle road fear that seems to envelop to many people and companies today. Where's the thinking that made this country great? If you ever want to see this country come back you better wake up to your fear of change.

Rob

Your last paragraph is the dictionary definition of 'conservative.'

President Obama deserves credit for killing bin Laden. Remember, President Bush declined to go in for the kill when bin Laden was cornered in Tora Bora because it would negatively impact the neocon lust to invade Iraq. "Mission Accomplished." But not by the man who landed on an aircraft carrier.

jonyyuma · Mar 13, 2012

Okay, Like the Volt or not. Read it today on Internet, so it must be true?? It is selling..Their shutdown is was, most likely will only be short and the production starts again..It still won't settle this section down?

MasseyWV · Mar 13, 2012

two_bit_score said:
Yes, Obama is much worse. Trying to excuse bad behavior by one party because it may nt be the worst behavior is wrong on it's face. But, Obama is the wort of the worst.

You missed the point. I despise politics and could care less who is better or worse. My understanding is that TBN has a political forum, which would be a far more appropriate venue for such matters.

Rob-D · Mar 13, 2012

two_bit_score said:
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Pretty big jump from wanting the government to stop hindering oil production by his policies and wanting price controls n gasoline but that's what liberals do - misstate the argument for their own benefit.

You also sound like a parrot to Obama and Chu by saying how we would appreciate the electric cars more when gasoline prices are higher.

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I always laugh when people start blaming government officials. Wake up, this isn't a republic it's a corporate oligarchy bought and paid for by lobby money. It stopped being a republic when we gave corporations the rights of individuals. At that point the individual got smothered.
Every time you go the gas pump, every time you fill you home heating fuel, every time you turn on a light you subsidize the corporation and you lose just a little more independence, freedom and individuality.

I'm off the grid, next year I'll be heating my house with alternative energy and the year after that I'll be driving an electric for free. That means the corporation that controls people won't be controlling me, that's how you beat the machine.
Alternate energy is the people's energy because it liberates you from the corporate strangle hold.
How many people here think corporate oil wants you to drive an electric car? That's the last thing they want you to do. They never want to see a solar panel on your roof because that means you don't need them. Well I don't and they will feed the lemmings pabulum like some people spew here in an attempt to create fragmentation, to divide. It's the old saw, "Divide and concur". How stupid can we be? Pretty stupid!

Rob

powerpace · Mar 13, 2012

two_bit_score said:
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Pretty big jump from wanting the government to stop hindering oil production by his policies and wanting price controls n gasoline but that's what liberals do - misstate the argument for their own benefit.

You also sound like a parrot to Obama and Chu by saying how we would appreciate the electric cars more when gasoline prices are higher.

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If you would read all of the posts concerning new permitted oil drilling since Obama took office you would see that the oil companys have the permits they don't have the incentive. There is too much oil being produced and oil prices are not high enough to drill for more. Oil companys have no reason to drill for more cheap oil.
Federal report: U.S. oil imports down, domestic production highest since 2003 - chicagotribune.com

The price of fuel will go up and down, up and down the problem is it will never go down to the level where it started.

You make it sound like the President enjoys seeing high prices. The U.S. uses 20% of the worlds oil. United States Crude Oil Production and Consumption by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day) He is preparing America for a reality check when he promotes alternative vehicles.

powerpace · Mar 13, 2012

MasseyWV said:
You missed the point. I despise politics and could care less who is better or worse. My understanding is that TBN has a political forum, which would be a far more appropriate venue for such matters.

Yep. I agree.

crash325 · Mar 13, 2012

Rob-D said:
I always laugh when people start blaming government officials. Wake up, this isn't a republic it's a corporate oligarchy bought and paid for by lobby money. It stopped being a republic when we gave corporations the rights of individuals. At that point the individual got smothered.
Every time you go the gas pump, every time you fill you home heating fuel, every time you turn on a light you subsidize the corporation and you lose just a little more independence, freedom and individuality.

I'm off the grid, next year I'll be heating my house with alternative energy and the year after that I'll be driving an electric for free. Free, after you pay 20 to 40 thousand $$$. That means the corporation that controls people won't be controlling me, that's how you beat the machine. This where your Stupid really shows up. Corporation's are building your solar panels, (in China), the light bulbs, wiring, batteries, just to name a few things that you will depend on Corp's for. And last but not least, Some corporation is going to build that electric car that you drive. Your not going to get the supplies, material and tools to your building site without that Rotten, obsolete Oil.

Maybe you are going to prep your building site by hand, dig your foundations with a shovel, and mix the cement by hand. OOP/s Can't use cement, that comes from a corporation.

Alternate energy is the people's energy because it liberates you from the corporate strangle hold.
How many people here think corporate oil wants you to drive an electric car? That's the last thing they want you to do. They never want to see a solar panel on your roof because that means you don't need them. Well I don't and they will feed the lemmings pabulum like some people spew here in an attempt to create fragmentation, to divide. It's the old saw, "Divide and concur". How stupid can we be? Pretty stupid! You are leading the charge here. There is no know cure for Stupid

Electric cars will bury fossil fuel cars once the bugs are worked out. The Gov should not spend tax $$ on this. My hat goes off to Nissan and the Leaf, Ford and the Focus and yes Chevy and the Volt. We need more courage and less myopic middle road fear that seems to envelop to many people and companies today. Where's the thinking that made this country great? If you ever want to see this country come back you better wake up to your fear of change.

I don't know any one that has a fear of change. As long as its for the BETTER.

Rob

What are you going to do If it's one of the Oil Company's actually perfects one of these Alternate fuel supplies??

powerpace · Mar 13, 2012

two_bit_score said:
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Pretty big jump from wanting the government to stop hindering oil production by his policies and wanting price controls n gasoline but that's what liberals do - misstate the argument for their own benefit.

You also sound like a parrot to Obama and Chu by saying how we would appreciate the electric cars more when gasoline prices are higher.

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You have no legitimate arguement. All I see is inuendo and finger pointing without factual comparison and capacity of other Presidents goals and accomplishments. What I do see is a bias that can not proceed beyond a mans skin.

Take your bias to the political forum and let us discuss the merits of the product, not the policy. Products survive on their own benefits to the consumer. Benefits aren't always recognized by the public. Some things don't catch on till there is no alternative.

houstonscott · Mar 13, 2012

Rob-D said:
I always laugh when people start blaming government officials. Wake up, this isn't a republic it's a corporate oligarchy bought and paid for by lobby money. It stopped being a republic when we gave corporations the rights of individuals. At that point the individual got smothered.
Every time you go the gas pump, every time you fill you home heating fuel, every time you turn on a light you subsidize the corporation and you lose just a little more independence, freedom and individuality.

I'm off the grid, next year I'll be heating my house with alternative energy and the year after that I'll be driving an electric for free. That means the corporation that controls people won't be controlling me, that's how you beat the machine.
Alternate energy is the people's energy because it liberates you from the corporate strangle hold.
How many people here think corporate oil wants you to drive an electric car? That's the last thing they want you to do. They never want to see a solar panel on your roof because that means you don't need them. Well I don't and they will feed the lemmings pabulum like some people spew here in an attempt to create fragmentation, to divide. It's the old saw, "Divide and concur". How stupid can we be? Pretty stupid!

Rob

Rob

Well, you won't be going far in your electric car, that's for sure, horse might be better than an electric car. The government knows that freedom to travel is key to controlling you and you took the bait, hook line and sinker. I however will keeping being free from the grid in my diesel car, that's what cars are all about breaking free from your home and traveling, some people just don't understand. You want to live your life at the end of an extension cord that's fine for you, not me. Not sure you don't really understand who the lemming is.

HS