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    Default Re: Magnetic or Blanket Heaters

    Let me clarify then. Compared to other heating solutions, magnetic heaters are the least efficient. Compared to other methods, there's simply too much free air loss. It takes a very high wattage to deliver sufficient heat. Some hardware-specific blanket heaters (like a battery blanket) can deliver effective heat. They cover the whole device. But most universal blanket heaters only cover part of the device, also wasting heat to free air loss. Conversely, oil pan/sump heaters are the most efficient. They deliver the most direct heat at the lowest wattage. I can heat a 12 quart sump to a constant 125F with one 250w pan heater. Coolant heaters fall somewhere in between, but installation necessarily cuts hoses, and leaks are not uncommon. Plus - because they're immersed in coolant - they have a greater tendency to short out than do other methods. Tank heaters have limited tractor applications. Dipstick heaters are another joke. Yes they're technically oil heaters, but they're inefficient as well (and an occasional fire hazard. More wattage is wasted heating the dipstick tube than is actually heating the oil.

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    Default Re: Magnetic or Blanket Heaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Rooks View Post
    I think you mean air cooled. High velocity air cooled for the cylinders, heads, and oil cooler.
    I would consider it oil cooled unless a water cooled engine is considered air cooled for the same reasons. Pumps the engine oil through a radiator/fan setup versus some small engines that are strictly air cooled with no radiator setup. But all of that is just semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitts427 View Post
    Anyone try a dip stick oil heater?
    Yes, save your money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpringHollow View Post
    I would consider it oil cooled unless a water cooled engine is considered air cooled for the same reasons. Pumps the engine oil through a radiator/fan setup versus some small engines that are strictly air cooled with no radiator setup. But all of that is just semantics.

    Ken
    I'm just telling it like Deutz tells it to eliminate confusion, that's all. And I presume it's because high velocity air is circulated around and through the oil cooler, cylinder sleeves, and heads instead of jacket water or liquid coolant. Air is the cooling medium, not liquid coolant. Makes sense to me. Worked on many of them, even the liquid cooled V-series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitts427 View Post
    Anyone try a dip stick oil heater?
    The one I tried actually coked the oil to it. Never tried another one.
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    Default Re: Magnetic or Blanket Heaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Rooks View Post
    I'm just telling it like Deutz tells it to eliminate confusion, that's all. And I presume it's because high velocity air is circulated around and through the oil cooler, cylinder sleeves, and heads instead of jacket water or liquid coolant. Air is the cooling medium, not liquid coolant. Makes sense to me. Worked on many of them, even the liquid cooled V-series.
    To my knowledge, no high pressure air is being circulated within the engine. They spray oil to cool the pistons, etc. The oil is circulated to a radiator which has air from a fan on the alternator blow across it. On my tractor, there is also a fan that blows air across a hydraulic oil cooler. This fan also blows air around the engine itself.

    I definitely do not recommend the dip stick oil heaters, at least not the brand I tried years ago. It cooked the oil.

    With my conventional tractors, I had real good luck with the coolant heaters. I have never tried the stick on oil pan heater. I might give that a try if I ever have a situation where it seems like an appropriate solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Rooks View Post
    I'm just telling it like Deutz tells it to eliminate confusion, that's all..
    Well, confusion often starts at home. Instead of the typical anti-freeze/water mixture, that engine - and I expect those in other PT models - uses oil. The same oil that's used for the hydrostatic drive, the steering, the lift. 20 gallons of it distributed by 3 pumps. Not sure about the PTO though, looks like that might be electric. Anyway, the engine coolant (oil) flows through a radiator, and subsequently loops via (the equivalent of) water jackets.

    As originally stated, it's an oil cooled diesel.

    That said, I was unable to determine whether the coolant oil doubles as the engine lubricant oil. I can't help but think that it has a separate sump and oil passages like a conventional diesel. If that proves to be true, a pan heater would help in this case as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Rooks View Post
    The one I tried actually coked the oil to it. Never tried another one.
    Yep, the dipstick heater has to be too hot with way too little surface area to warm effectively. They coke oil till enough builds as insulation and the element burns out... Bonded oil pan type is the best as it has the largest surface area and most efficient transfer.
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    Default Re: Magnetic or Blanket Heaters

    The hydraulic system is separate from the engine system on the PT's. The engine is cooled by the lubricating oil. The hydraulic system also uses motor oil as the hydraulic fluid but it is kept separate and typically lasts for many years with just topping off.

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    Default Re: Magnetic or Blanket Heaters

    On the Deutz engine: If it has a large double belt driven fan and ductwork around the engine - it's air cooled. And yes, it will have an oil-to air heat exchanger (you call it a radiator). Oil circulating in cylinder cooling jackets is something I'll research further.
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