CK 30 OIL OVER FILL

CK30 bh/fel/sb 97 hrs. I changed the engine oil and filter, the only problem is I added to much oil, 3 and half gallons worth. I was thinking 2 quarts to a gallon. After I completed the oil change about an hour later while using the tractor I got a huge puff of white smoke coming from the exhaust pipe. I turned off the motor waited a few minutes thinking the motor overheated. Started the motor again, same thing white smoke and a sound like a rod knock. I when over everything I did that day to the tractor, and after counting the empty bottles of oil and checking my service book I realized what I did. I then drained out the oil, added new oil to the proper amount. I used the tractor for about 5 minutes this morning I didnt want to push it until I find out more about what damage I might have caused and it seems to be operating ok. My question is what damage if any did I do to the motor.

ouch....is it still knocking? If so i would get it to the dealer. That really suc&'s...........

Don't use it and don't start it until the dealer checks it. I know a girl that did the same thing and she destroyed all four rods and pistons.

Hey mate you were on the brink of discovering how good Kioti tractors really are. If you had opened it up to about 4000rpm it would have performed the ultimate task it was designed for. The white smoke is an indicator that all is working on schedule. Once the tractor had stabilized at 4000rpm it would have zoomed off to the International space station. The engineers at Daedong spent billions of dollars incorporating this feature. Something that NASA to date have not figured out how it is done. Just make sure you wear good clothing and protective sunglasses and helmet before trying it again.

Didn't it start running out were you add the oil? I do not know how you could have put that much in with out it over flowing! So if I got this right you put in 7 gallons of oil when it should have only taken 3 1/2 gallons or 14qts .
Thats funny ! Ok you know what a dip stick is right. You where burning more oil than fuel !

On Damage you may have glazed Cylinders ! Talk to you dealer YOU may want to do the what IF question to him. It gose some thing like this , what if some one was to change oil and put the right amount of oil in ((BUT)) went and had a beer or two came back and added more like twice as much is what it was to have !And Ran it for about a hour or so!!! Would their be any thing that could go wrong ??? Let just say if that would happen!!

This rates right up there with what a friend did to his vintage '69 Plymouth roadrunner. He was always very particuliar about the oil he used in it and had a specific brand of synthetic he always used in it. One day he changed the oil, got distracted & didn't replace the drain plug, poured his big bux $$ synthetic racing oil straight thru the engine & onto the ground. Then proceded to drive the car until it acted like it overheated. (Uh........Duh.....do ya think it'll be OK when it cools down ????....Not !!!) Cost him a engine & got him a good ribbing from his buddies. Why he didn't check the dipstick......or look at his oil pressure guage....we'll never know....................

DC,
.....update?
Your killing us w/anticipation........

I can see overfilling it, well not by that much as I don't understand why it didn't run out the dipstick tube. In fact I know I over filled a transmission once, but you never start an engine that you just filled up with oil without checking the oil level first. And then after you start it up to make sure it is at the right level right away.

Typically I will have a quart over because I put in the right amount, then once I start it and the filter fills up you should have the right amount.

I am afraid if this one was a knocking and white smoke was coming out that motor is in serious trouble.

Hate to see it happen on a motor.

murph

The CK30 takes 1.5 gallons of engine oil, 6 quarts, with a new filter.

"I know I over filled a transmission once, but you never start an engine that you just filled up with oil without checking the oil level first. And then after you start it up to make sure it is at the right level right away.

Typically I will have a quart over because I put in the right amount, then once I start it and the filter fills up you should have the right amount."

Hmmmmm. When you know how much oil an engine takes then there is no reason to check the level after filling since it will be wrong anyways due to the empty filter. Check after it is run and up to pressure but then wait a couple of minutes so the oil settles down to the sump, not when it is running. Oh, there is no way that the tiny CK oil filter holds even half a quart.

I'll be on to my 300 hour oil change after next weekend and I am impressed with how this little engine burns no oil. A sideways (or upside down) oil filter is peeve of mine but the mess is easy to clean on our tractors.

Highbeam said:

When you know how much oil an engine takes then there is no reason to check the level after filling...

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I guess I may be the only dumb guy here, but I am pretty sure I saved a very expensive engine by ALWAYS checking the oil level on the dipstick BEFORE starting the engine after an oil change. I say that I am a "dumb guy" because the time I speak of is when I forgot to replace the oil plug.

After draining the oil I got distracted by a phone call and I was doing other things while the oil was draining. The 8 gallon oil pan was still under the truck as I was putting new oil back in (which promptly went right out the bottom) so I never had a huge puddle under the truck. Anyway, I recall pulling the dipstick, wiping it off and checking the oil level. Although it sometimes is hard to see the level with new clean oil, I couldn't find any oil on the dipstick. Yes, I wiped the dipstick and tried it several times in a row before it struck me what I'd done. Oopsie!

Again, I may be the only dumb guy here, but your advice of saying there is no reason to check the dipstick after putting new oil in would have cost me an engine. I'll stay with my dumb guy check list, thank you. And that includes always checking the dipstick and looking for any obvious leaks before starting the engine and then checking for any leaks again, and re-check the dipstick level, after starting the engine.

As far as the original poster's engine, I just don't know. We all know that oil doesn't compress very well, but I don't know where all it went and how his particular engine is designed. A girl I dated in college decided to do her own maintenance on her car. She noticed that her radiator was low. No problem since her dad had two gallons of antifreeze in the garage. She put both gallons in and the radiator was still low. That is when she drove over to my fraternity to have me check it out, which was about 3 miles. Yup, you guessed it, she filled the crank case with two gallons of antifreeze! After draining the nasty chocolate foam looking mess out, I did 3 oil changes in a row that day for her and, believe it or not, her car kept going fine. The car? A Pacer.

To the original poster, Dirtcutter,

You thinking 2 quarts was a gallon is a mistake that all humans are capable of making. We try to do three things at once and things like that happens to all of us. I hope that all turns out well with your motor. If you didn't run it much you may be ok. My comments to you are not to slam you, again we all make mistakes, it is our nature.

I stress to all, along with Dargo, when changing your oil, check before you start the motor up and then again after you have ran it a few minutes, shutting it off and then letting the oil settle down to the pan. Something real simple that would have prevented this problem. As in my case the time I overfilled a transmission, by checking the oil immediately no harm done. Don't let anyone tell you should not have to check the oil even if you know the amount it should take. Not checking for proper level and leaks is bad advice.

Again, I hope all is well with your motor.


murph

Whatever. I suppose you could check your cars oil every day before driving. You never know what might happen. If I pour 1.5 gallons of oil into a 1.5 gallon sump then I expect there to be 1.5 gallons of oil in there and I do not need to check it. I always check the oil level after running the engine to pressure and then shutting off.

It won't hurt a thing to check the level five times a day. Go ahead and check your tire pressure each day too, maybe grease your muffler bearing.

Highbeam said:

If I pour 1.5 gallons of oil into a 1.5 gallon sump then I expect there to be 1.5 gallons of oil in there and I do not need to check it.

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True enough if you know for fact that you pour 1.5 gallons. In this case the guy who poured the oil did not understand his measurements. He poured more oil than he should have and may have done some engine damage to his tractor. Further, there was an example given of a guy who did not reinstall a drain plug. In this short thread I think there has been evidence that it is prudent to 'double check' the oil level. Not really much different than the carpernter's motto of "measure twice, cut once" as it is simply a precaution.

While you are an engineer and understand many things about weights, volumes, and measures, I'm sure that many a novice here visiting TBN might benefit from checking the dipstick.

Highbeam said:

Whatever. I suppose you could check your cars oil every day before driving. You never know what might happen. If I pour 1.5 gallons of oil into a 1.5 gallon sump then I expect there to be 1.5 gallons of oil in there and I do not need to check it. I always check the oil level after running the engine to pressure and then shutting off.

It won't hurt a thing to check the level five times a day. Go ahead and check your tire pressure each day too, maybe grease your muffler bearing.

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The above quote does not necessarily represent the opinions of other people who live in Washington. I personally believe that it would hurt to check the level five times a day and have been injured greasing my muffler bearing.
Bonehead

BoneheadNW said:

I personally believe that it would hurt to check the level five times a day and have been injured greasing my muffler bearing.
Bonehead

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Do tighten yours with a left handed treaded bolt before you grease it?

Hey, I've got a solution to satify everyone. Maybe Kioti could be on the cutting edge of a new technology innovation and put a sight glass on the side of the oil pan. What the heck, it works great on the tranny .

kentrodngun said:

Hey, I've got a solution to satify everyone. Maybe Kioti could be on the cutting edge of a new technology innovation and put a sight glass on the side of the oil pan. What the heck, it works great on the tranny .

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That would make life nice, but what is the difference between a site glass and a dipstick, you still should check it.

murph

You have a site glass on your tranny? I would love that.

Guys, I really don't have a problem with checking the oil level as often as you wish. I don't think it is a required step crucial to the longevity of your machine IF you are confident that you have got everything else under control. The only value in checking the dipstick prior to startup is to be sure you didn't botch the job somewhere. The level will need to be rechecked and corrected upon run in regardless. You can bet that the first couple of oil changes on my new CK I checked the oil level before starting. The sump requires almost exactly 1.5 gallons and I buy the gallon jugs of oil so I measure the half gallon exactly to be sure I have enough for the next change.

I have a friend who forgot to reinstall the drainplug on his 65 mustang. He caught the mistake when he noticed the puddle of oil but I suppose the results could have been disasterous. Even though it is a ford, the mustang is nice enough to preserve.

thcri said:

That would make life nice, but what is the difference between a site glass and a dipstick, you still should check it.

murph

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Murph, don't know what your set up is on your tractor but on mine, if you don't remove the side panel (curtain?) to get at the dip stick, it's kind of a pain. I eliminated that problem though by permanently leaving the the panel off. Sight glass would eliminate the whole issue. Anybody at Kioti taking notes ?

Joe, yes, my machine has a sight glass on the tranny & the front drive too. Doesn't yours?

BTW, after running out of oil on my original engine and going through the expense of a new replacement, you can bet I don't start my tractor without pulling the stick and checking it every few hours of operation when I'm working it hard.

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Murph, don't know what your set up is on your tractor but on mine, if you don't remove the side panel (curtain?) to get at the dip stick, it's kind of a pain. I eliminated that problem though by permanently leaving the the panel off. Sight glass would eliminate the whole issue. Anybody at Kioti taking notes ?

BTW, after running out of oil on my original engine and going through the expense of a new replacement, you can bet I don't start my tractor without pulling the stick and checking it every few hours of operation when I'm working it hard.

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Kentrogun,

My dipstick comes through the side panels. When a tractor has been sitting and is cold your talking ten seconds to pull the stick and see where the level is. You don't even have to wipe the stick, pull it out, check level, put it back in. A ten second process. Common sense tells me to check it every time when your talking about a motor that is as expensive as it is.

murph