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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    leonz, you meant a front or rear blower, correct?

    I was going to say that your blower should be, at least, wider that the width of your tractor, but if you are going to drive thru the snow before snowblowing, with a pull through model, I guess it doesn't make much difference on the width. To be honest I can't fathom why anyone would want a pull thru blower. I have never seen anyone who actually had one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smfcpacfp View Post
    . To be honest I can't fathom why anyone would want a pull thru blower.
    It's pretty simple really, the reasons I would want an inverted (pull behind) blower are:

    You can look and drive forward when snow blowing, no neck aches at the end

    You can leave the loader on for things like moving firewood

    If you want a compact package with high maneuverability you can remove the FEL, this is also an advantage of a typical rear blower over front mount

    The rear blower in the back makes a great counter weight

    When your done snow blowing you have no tracks behind you, it looks so nice and neat, this doesn't really matter functionally of course

    If you use your tractor for just about anything else in the winter you don't have to remove your front mount snowblower, like when logging for firewood through the woods

    You can back right up close to garage doors and scrape the snow away, using it like a box blade in a sense

    You have excellent visibility of what is going into the snowblower

    These are just a few examples off the top of my head. If you want to see one in action then YouTube "inverted snowblower tractor" or something to that effect.
    There is a good reason why inverted snowblowers are the "go to" style for people who do snow removal as a business. When you really think about it, it actually makes the most sense in the majority of cases, but of course there are exceptions. A lot of people can't seem to get over the fact that you have to drive through the snow before blowing it, which really isn't that big of a deal when your properly ballasted although some people would need chains as well.

    I don't think an inverted snowblower is a good choice on a very low clearance tractor lightweight tractor or when the operator lives somewhere that routinely gets 2' or more of snow on a regular basis, which is not all that common.

    I think another great option is the FEL mounted hydraulic blower like Grsthegreat has. For his situation that can't be beat, but for most, I still think an inverted blower would be a better choice.

    To be honest, I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want a pull behind snowblower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smfcpacfp View Post
    leonz, you meant a front or rear blower, correct?

    I was going to say that your blower should be, at least, wider that the width of your tractor,
    but if you are going to drive thru the snow before snowblowing, with a pull through model,
    I guess it doesn't make much difference on the width.

    To be honest I can't fathom why anyone would want a pull thru blower.
    I have never seen anyone who actually had one.


    Good Morning Dr.,

    Yes I ment either a front or rear mount snow caster as a wider unit will help the end user
    as long as the tires are ballasted and have snow chains and it has flags mounted on it for
    the "new" user to keep track of the ends of the snow caster.

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    Hi Piston
    As I stated in my original post , I also need to cut back snow berms left my neighbors snowplow along my access road. For general blowing and also cutting back the berms, what width blower would you recommend? I would appreciate any input or experience you might have. It seems strange talking about snow blowing when it was 90 some degrees here yesterday
    Last edited by degerb; 07-29-2013 at 07:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by degerb View Post
    Hi Piston
    As I stated in my original post , I also need to cut back snow berms left my neighbors snowplow along my access road. For general blowing and also cutting back the berms, what width blower would you recommend? I would appreciate any input or experience you might have. I seems strange talking about snow blowing when it was 90 some degrees here yesterday



    A rear mounted pull type snow caster is going to have a lot of problems working
    snowbanks as the geometry of the blower is going to be a huge negative factor.

    Adding wings is bad idea becuase of the stresses created by the snow piles that
    may be very packed and the pull behind blowers lack of ability to dig into them
    due to side clearances as the pull type blower will be directly behind the blower.

    Your current mule will be worth alot more towards a trade in for a kubota B3300
    or BX2360 or JD equivalent with a front mounted snow caster and rear blade for both units.

    the rear blade will permit you to pull the material out if it is packed and then you can remove it with the front mounted snow caster.

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    Thanks for yor insight Leonz, I appreciate it very much. One of my problems is I really like my tractor since I have it all prettied up new paint etc. I may indeed have to trade it for something else, but the more options I have from you guys will help me make the right decision. Thanks Don

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    If you got the ground clearance a rear pull looks like a great idea. Remember you can back up the drifts and pull ahead taking multiple bites. If you have a loader I suppose you could use it to knock down any major drifts, then go over it with the blower to clean it up. They seem to be pretty popular in Scandinavia, most videos I could find seem to be taped there. Google Snöfräs or Snöslunga

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    Quote Originally Posted by degerb View Post
    Thanks for yor insight Leonz, I appreciate it very much. One of my problems is I really like my tractor since I have it all prettied up new paint etc. I may indeed have to trade it for something else, but the more options I have from you guys will help me make the right decision. Thanks Don

    I think you will end up trading it don as even a small cabbed
    sub compact will work wonders for you.

    We have many members that use them for long sloping driveways
    with ballast and chains.

    You will have until September first or so to make a purchase from existing
    inventory as the RAD blowers painted orange and green suddenly fall into a
    black hole and cannot be had, but Pronovost and SHoule snow casters can
    be found and purchased.

    Spend some time on the brand forums and read the threads and posts and
    then make a decision B4 September, 1st as they will not be able to help you
    unless they have inventory buried under dirt that they can dig out.


    I hate my front mount simply because it is poorly made in my opinion and
    is not balanced. I have to install casters on both sides to keep it from digging
    into the ground.

    The RAD built units for front mounts are a pain and the mounting frames are not very strong either-I can push the strap iron used to make the lower mounting frame that connects to the tractor- I could not do that with the single stage IHC snow caster I grew up on.

    The rear mounts are simple and much stronger and the pull type are great for contractors and low snowfalls OR high wheel base tractors, not vineyard units.

    When you read through the posts you will see that some of the folks have suicide knobs and truck mirrors to make the job easier too. I just do not want you to be looking down the barrel of september first and unprepared.
    Last edited by leonz; 07-29-2013 at 11:51 PM. Reason: spelling, whoopsie!!

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    I've run inverted blowers commercially for the last 4 yrs. If you've got enough tractor to pull it, they can't be beat. I was spoiled with big, new tractors (2 yrs in a Case 105U, 1 yr in a JD 6330 and last yr in a 120 Maximum) but I'd run one in a heart beat on my B3300SU at home but I don't have either the weight or the ground clearance for the amount of snow I get.

    Here's my thoughts:

    1. If you are only doing your own snow, you don't NEED a cab regardless of what anyone tells you. Are they nice to have? You bet! Bundle up, plan your direction with the wind and you can survive just fine without. I've got 25 yrs doing my own snow with open stations, 1/4 mile lane in the wide open wind.

    2. If you have any wind at all in open areas, blades suck unless you have along way to the side to push the snow -- otherwise you just make a nice ridge to drift more and more snow.

    3. Having a pull type the same width as the tractor is nice that if the tires clear the obstacle, so will the blower. If the blower is a bit wider (say 6" per side) you can nibble your way into a bank to widen out the cleared area.

    4. To deal with a plow ridge bigger than you can drive thru, raise the blower to the top, back up over the ridge (stop when the back tires start to climb the bank), drop the blower and pull ahead. Repeat as necessary.

    5. Hydraulic chute rotation and deflector are worth every penny of the cost. If I had to pick them or a cab, I'd pick them no question over a cab.

    6. Most older tractors have WAY more forward gears than reverse giving much more ground speed options without having to feather the clutch

    7. Both Lucknow and Metor make decent blowers. Normand and Pronovost are probably the 2 top names in snowblowers (If there's others equivalent, I haven't heard of them)

    I'm in Canada, we get more than enough snow that I know what I'm talking about.

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    Default Re: Pull type blower verses snow berms

    Quote Originally Posted by Piston View Post
    It's pretty simple really, the reasons I would want an inverted (pull behind) blower are:

    You can look and drive forward when snow blowing, no neck aches at the end

    You can leave the loader on for things like moving firewood

    If you want a compact package with high maneuverability you can remove the FEL, this is also an advantage of a typical rear blower over front mount

    The rear blower in the back makes a great counter weight

    When your done snow blowing you have no tracks behind you, it looks so nice and neat, this doesn't really matter functionally of course

    If you use your tractor for just about anything else in the winter you don't have to remove your front mount snowblower, like when logging for firewood through the woods

    You can back right up close to garage doors and scrape the snow away, using it like a box blade in a sense

    You have excellent visibility of what is going into the snowblower

    These are just a few examples off the top of my head. If you want to see one in action then YouTube "inverted snowblower tractor" or something to that effect.
    There is a good reason why inverted snowblowers are the "go to" style for people who do snow removal as a business. When you really think about it, it actually makes the most sense in the majority of cases, but of course there are exceptions. A lot of people can't seem to get over the fact that you have to drive through the snow before blowing it, which really isn't that big of a deal when your properly ballasted although some people would need chains as well.

    I don't think an inverted snowblower is a good choice on a very low clearance tractor lightweight tractor or when the operator lives somewhere that routinely gets 2' or more of snow on a regular basis, which is not all that common.

    I think another great option is the FEL mounted hydraulic blower like Grsthegreat has. For his situation that can't be beat, but for most, I still think an inverted blower would be a better choice.

    To be honest, I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't want a pull behind snowblower.
    We get 15 to 30 feet of snow each year. I normally have to snow blow 20 to 40 times each season, sometimes more than once a day. My driveway is about 600 feet, in one case I get quite close to my sunroom. I have a basement entrance that is 5" wider than my blower and about 60 feet long.

    It is nice that you don't have to turn your head to see where you are going, but you can't see where your blower is throwing the snow because the chute and deflector are behind you, and you would have to turn your head to see where the snow is going. I rotate my chute quite often and change the deflection angle often. If you don't turn your head, do you use your mirrors to see what is happening behind you?

    I don't need my FEL in the winter to move wood. Where I live you had better have the wood you need in the basement before winter arrives. Once it starts snowing here, it gets "head high" quickly.

    With my front blower, I can do my outside entrance quite easily, but with 5" of clearance I go very, very slowly. Trying to back my tractor up to the house with 4 feet of snow on the ground and my wheels not touching the grounds, any sliding from side to side could be disastrous. I could imagine the tractor getting stuck driving through deep snow on the easy parts of my drive, and if the wheel weren't touching the ground on your first pass with the blower, a second pass would be needed.

    Commercial snow removal people here don't use blowers and tractors in any event. They use plows for quick cleanup and front end loader to haul away the snow when time permits. When we had a Strategic Air Command base here it did use a blower to remove snow from the runway. It had two 16 cylinder diesel engines running the blower and blew the snow 150 into the woods around the runway. Now that was a blower!

    I guess if this blower works for you, given your situation, use it. It wouldn't work well here which is why I have never seen one, either on a tractor, or at the dealership. Actually I have only seen a couple people with rear blowers, usually because they have old tractors without front PTO's.

    Here is my tractor snowblowing my basement entrance: http://youtu.be/Kl8e-L0qqrE
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