I was able to get him down to 13.5K for the tractor w/FEL and Turf Tires. It's in good shape except for a broken fuel door. I'm still on the fence to buy. I 'm looking into a kubota B2710 with FEL, bush hog and rear blade for 12.5K. I'm leaning towards the Kubota but the 4210 is still in the running.