I think you guys are right, that two link chain with v-bars, or the duo-ladder combination with v-bars that TireChains.com sells, would do a good job, but by the time you add in the shipping you're getting near the ice-studded range. That's why I'm having trouble deciding on one style over the other. I hope to only make this purchase once. I don't see myself wearing them out to the point I'd need another set.