Toolcat 3 point is coming
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Do you know of any specifics as to how it will be implemented or how it will affect the rest of the design? I think you'd mentioned before that they might do away with the truck bed? Every time I turn around it seems I'm really needing a 3-pt hitch and there aren't very good solutions to get around the of the 3-pt on the Toolcat
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I don't know specifics as it is still a work in progress. 3 pt lift will likely be around 2000 lbs. Position control on the 3 point. No down pressure on 3 point like the prototype had. It is relatively easy with the new D series design to mount the lift arms to the spine frame. Very rigid and no twisting like a typical frame construction would have. The prototype had lift arms just like a CUT and an external single cylinder for the lift (Some Kubotas have external lift cylinders.) Even a single, relatively small cylinder can create a lot of lift for a 3 point. Relatively simple and straight forward design. Uses a 3 link just like a CUT.
The prototype I saw had the cargo box deleted but current plans are to leave hydraulic dump bed on. Still trying to figure out best way to dump around/over 3 point. Side dump vs rear dump? Should have rear hydraulic outlets. PTO about 30 hp via hydraulic motor but are looking at other more direct connection to engine to increase pto hp. With available flow rate and pressure, 30 hp is about the most to expect out of hydraulic motor.
Availability? Fall or winter?
Peak toolcat sales are actually in the fall/winter due to snow removal. It would be nice to have it ready by then. There is someone in Canada that has 40 toolcats used for snow removal. Using both a snowplow/blade or snowblower on the back or front at the same time sounds like and ideal solution for snow removal. For me, I would use snowplow on the front and snowblower on the back. I use a plow more than a blower. With deep snow some may prefer the blower on the front and blade in the back.
The prototype I saw had the cargo box deleted but current plans are to leave hydraulic dump bed on. Still trying to figure out best way to dump around/over 3 point. Side dump vs rear dump? Should have rear hydraulic outlets. PTO about 30 hp via hydraulic motor but are looking at other more direct connection to engine to increase pto hp. With available flow rate and pressure, 30 hp is about the most to expect out of hydraulic motor.
Availability? Fall or winter?
Peak toolcat sales are actually in the fall/winter due to snow removal. It would be nice to have it ready by then. There is someone in Canada that has 40 toolcats used for snow removal. Using both a snowplow/blade or snowblower on the back or front at the same time sounds like and ideal solution for snow removal. For me, I would use snowplow on the front and snowblower on the back. I use a plow more than a blower. With deep snow some may prefer the blower on the front and blade in the back.
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I believe they have considered that option. I don't have a toolcat and I don't know how that would interfere with access to stuff on the dump side for repairs/maintenance. The other problem with side dump would be the requirement of different box, dimensions, tailgate, hydraulics etc. More simple and cheaper to keep things the same way, if possible. I am kind of concerned what the price of new machine might be with 3 point, rear pto, dump box, rear hydraulics etc.theoshin said:
Side dump is the only way to assure that it is always available. Now, for the real problem. The standard side slippers won't plow. Either 4 tracks or reinvent the ag tire. More high and more wide if you expect to pull anything through the dirt.
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i have tracks on my polaris ranger - they would cut down on turning radius. i would think with the 4wl steer they would hit the tc in the back???
i think the biggest disad of the tc is traction. we can slow down when the things get bumpy but the tc can't hold a candle to a awd tractor with real tires in the dirt/mud.
i think the biggest disad of the tc is traction. we can slow down when the things get bumpy but the tc can't hold a candle to a awd tractor with real tires in the dirt/mud.
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i think the biggest disad of the tc is traction. we can slow down when the things get bumpy but the tc can't hold a candle to a awd tractor with real tires in the dirt/mud.[/QUOTE]
I have said it in the past, the tc needs an ag type tire option. Bobcat does not quite get the traction issue. A lug tire such as used on dedicated trenchers or vibratory plow machine are low profile, fairly wide and still give good floatation/traction without being too aggressive for yard work. Probably smoother ride since tire is not so hard. Skid steer tires are HORRIBLE in mud. Ok for dry conditions. The tc tires don't skid like a conventional skid steer and wear is not nearly as big an issue.
I have said it in the past, the tc needs an ag type tire option. Bobcat does not quite get the traction issue. A lug tire such as used on dedicated trenchers or vibratory plow machine are low profile, fairly wide and still give good floatation/traction without being too aggressive for yard work. Probably smoother ride since tire is not so hard. Skid steer tires are HORRIBLE in mud. Ok for dry conditions. The tc tires don't skid like a conventional skid steer and wear is not nearly as big an issue.
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A little update on the 3 pt toolcat. Hopefully, production will start in Feb or possibly March 2008. The cargo box is still being developed. Box will probably be of a composite material rather than steel. The pto will be hydraulic and give about 30 hp. Hydraulic front bob-tach for hooking onto equipment will probably be a new option.
