How to regularly move 12,000 of equipment?

[Builder]

Originally Posted by john_bud

I was looking at flat bed dumps and regular flatbeds and dumps.

I don't get the comment that I don't need a CDL type truck. (must be slow) If the truck weighs 10,000 and the equipment is 12,000 and it rides on the truck, then I get it. But if I buy a 10 ton dual tandem axle trailer, boom even a ford ranger pops it into CDL turf.

jb

As long as the combination weighs less than 26,001, you don't need a CDL.

Once the combination weighs at or more than 26,001, you need a class A CDL if the trailer is also over 10K

If the combintaion is at or over 26,001 and the trailer is at or under 10,000, then you need a class B CDL

If you get a small 12K dump, stake body or utility body and it can tow 12-14K, then you don't need a CDL because the GCWR is less than 26K.

My guess is an F-350 or GMC 3500 1-ton dump would be able to do that.

If you get a true medium duty dump with a 12K trailer, then yes, you will need a CDL.

[john_bud]

OK, I get cha.

But, I want to move a 12k piece of equipment. So the trailer + equipment would be 15 to 16k. That's outside of a 1 ton dually's ability. (right?)


i was thinking about getting a truck with 25,999 GVWR and putting the cutter on the truck. Then towing a trailer up to 10k capacity. Here in Taxconsin that is still the same license as driving a Yugo. Would need DOT numbers and all that hassle,but not a CDL. The truck bed would need to be 18' long. Is that a reasonable thought or pure fiction?

jb

[Diamondpilot]

John, what Builder has to say would work. Looking in my 2006 F-350 PSD owners manual under towing it list my truck as having a goose neck/5th wheel towing rating of 17,800# and could be as much as 18,700# with a 2 wheel drive standard cab due to it being a lighter truck. Either way they both have a bumper tow or conventional tow rating of 15,000#. Both trucks in my example have a GVWR of 26,000# so it does not fall into the CDL category. My truck being a extended cab 4x4 with the tow rating of 17,800# would leave you with 5,800# for trailer and the necessary tie downs, ect.

You wanting to get a truck that has a high GVWR and still pull a trailer of 10,000# will not work because at the end of the day you will need a CDL due to being over the 26,001# mark like Builder stated.

Like Builder previously stated "If you see guys fleeing the business you want to get into, that would give me reason to rethink" that says a ton. If it was so easy everyone would be doing it. There is a reason the others are getting out of the business.


Chris

[MrJimi]

My F-550 has a 18,000 tow capacity and it weighs around 7,000 pounds and a 17,500 GVWR on the door jam
That should work

[Builder]

Originally Posted by MrJimi

My F-550 has a 18,000 tow capacity and it weighs around 7,000 pounds and a 17,500 GVWR on the door jam
That should work

I thought you decided to de-rate it?

[Builder]

Originally Posted by john_bud

OK, I get cha.

But, I want to move a 12k piece of equipment. So the trailer + equipment would be 15 to 16k. That's outside of a 1 ton dually's ability. (right?)


i was thinking about getting a truck with 25,999 GVWR and putting the cutter on the truck. Then towing a trailer up to 10k capacity. Here in Taxconsin that is still the same license as driving a Yugo. Would need DOT numbers and all that hassle,but not a CDL. The truck bed would need to be 18' long. Is that a reasonable thought or pure fiction?

jb

A 450 or 550 could pull up to 16K off the bumper, but than a CDL would be needed because you meet both of the "critcal" criteria:

Your truck & trailer combined would be well over 26K AND your trailer is over 10,001.

If you could do without a dump feature, you could get a stake body platform bed on 11K GVWR F-350 or GM3500 and put a turnover ball in the bed. Then you could 5th wheel a 15K trailer to keep the combo inder 26K. You could keep your stake body sides up against the bulkhead of your rig in case you need to haul debris off your worksite.

The bad thing is you wouldn't be able to haul much of anything other than your stake body sides and some tools when the 5th wheel trailer is in tow.

Another option is a 25,999 rollback truck with some low sides on the rollback body. You could haul your tractor on the back, then load/unload it like royalty on/off the bed. If you need to haul some worksitre debris, you could haul it on the truck when not hauling the tractor OR you could pull up to a 10K small utility trailer behind the rollback! That might be your best bet! The if you need to unload trash, debris, you just lower the rollback to the ground or tilt it making it easier to unload.

Remember, you can have up to a 25,999 rollback and up to a 10K trailer with NO CDL. (in most states probably except CA & some other communistic New England republics)

[john_bud]

Originally Posted by Builder

(in most states probably except CA & some other communistic New England republics)

Oh man! I nearly ruptured myself on that one!!

jb

[Diamondpilot]

Originally Posted by Diamondpilot

John, what Builder has to say would work. Looking in my 2006 F-350 PSD owners manual under towing it list my truck as having a goose neck/5th wheel towing rating of 17,800# and could be as much as 18,700# with a 2 wheel drive standard cab due to it being a lighter truck. Either way they both have a bumper tow or conventional tow rating of 15,000#. Both trucks in my example have a GVWR of 26,000# so it does not fall into the CDL category. My truck being a extended cab 4x4 with the tow rating of 17,800# would leave you with 5,800# for trailer and the necessary tie downs, ect.

You wanting to get a truck that has a high GVWR and still pull a trailer of 10,000# will not work because at the end of the day you will need a CDL due to being over the 26,001# mark like Builder stated.

Like Builder previously stated "If you see guys fleeing the business you want to get into, that would give me reason to rethink" that says a ton. If it was so easy everyone would be doing it. There is a reason the others are getting out of the business.


Chris

I made a mistake, it is GCVWR not GVWR noted above. The GVWR for my truck is 13,000# according to the manual.

Chris

[MrJimi]

Originally Posted by Builder

I thought you decided to de-rate it?

LOL, I'm still working on it but thats what the specs say ?
When I do register it, I will register it for 9,999 or less and I hope they have a 7,999 class
7,999
14,000
+ 22,000 give or take a couple of pounds way under 26,000 #

[hosejockey2002]

Originally Posted by Builder

Remember, you can have up to a 25,999 rollback and up to a 10K trailer with NO CDL.

In a previous post you stated that any combination of over 26K required a CDL, which I beleive is correct. So, this under 26K rollback, if loaded, were to pull a trailer it would be in CDL territory.

If it were me I'd just get the CDL and be done with it. It's really not that big a deal. If you add up the weights of everything you are trying to haul, it's going to be hard to keep it under 26K. If the machine weighs 12K, you add tools, fuel, extra implements and other stuff that could easily add another 2K. A trailer that can comfortably haul 13-14K on a daily basis will weigh at least 4K. Now you're up to 18K. That leaves you just 8K for a tow vehicle, and while a dually pickup is barely under that, you'll really be pushing the limits of both the truck and the law.