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    Default Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    I'm going into the food plot business and will need to haul as much equipment as possible at one time. Being almost to the point of stupid about trailers I'm in dire need of some suggestions if you will.

    Here is the deal. I have a 2500 HD 4x4 GMC with the gas six liter engine.In the worst case scenerio with my plot business I see me needing to haul the following at one time "if possible".

    37 hp 4x4 kubota around 3,000 lbs. 12 ft. long
    Six foot deep disc around 1,000 lbs.??
    6' chisel plow 3' deep around 1,000lbs
    2 row JD Flex 71 planter 800 lbs????????

    All of those pieces come up to me needing around a length of 21-22' of load space.

    Can this be done safely with one trailer? I think it can but need someone that knows to advise. Second, while I do recognize a gooseneck would probably be the best, it is almost essential that I keep the pickup bed free to haul a four wheeler, fertilizer etc.etc

    My grand plan is to back the disc onto the trailer, then back on the planter and then have the tractor with the chisel plow attached, facing foward on the trailer as that would be the first implement I would probably need. I can with no problem switch things around if suggested but need to get two piece of equipment near the front of the trailer with tractor being last.

    All opinions welcome. Thanks again!!

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    need a gooseneck
    need 25 to 30' of trailer
    stuff never ties down like it should
    might be better to make 2 trips (or go up, do the plowing, then go back up to finish if it takes more than one day)

    switching equipment on site sucks.

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    What is the tow limit of your truck? So it's tow rating is somewhere between 9,600# and 12,600# depending on cab/bed configuration and rear axle gears either being 3.73's or 4.10's according to my trailer towing data. I sell trailers part time so I have a lot of info on all trucks. You can get the same from the net or you owners manual.

    A bumper pull trailer is going to come in around 2,500# and a GN is going to be around 4,000# empty. So on the low end with a GN you would be able to haul 5,600# of stuff on the trailer. On the bumper pull low end you would be able to haul 7,100# of stuff on the trailer. On the high end you would be able to haul 8,600# with a GN and about 10,100# of stuff with a bumper pull. GM usually has a 12,000# max on the bumper so actually it would be 9,500# when you subtract the trailer. All GM publishes is the max tow weight. The limit of the bumper pull hitch is printed on the hitch itself.

    Adding up the equipment you come in at 6,600# and add another 800# or so for the Quad for a total of 7,400#. I am guessing you are off on the wight of your tractor. My 28HP 4x4 tractor with a FEL weighs in at 4,800# with no implements on the 3 point. I would find out the exact weights of each item then remember to add in the weights for your chains and binders, hand tools, ext.

    My feeling is you are going to need a bigger truck, make two trips, or give up the bed for a GN trailer.

    Good luck.

    Chris

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Don't forget to get your pin (tongue) weight. Take your loaded trailer x 15-20% to see if your rear axle will be overloaded. If your trailer weighs 10,000lbs then your pin weight would be 1,500-2,000 lbs. Add your 4 wheeler and your tools and see if you have the payload over your rear axle for that weight. Usually 3/4 ton trucks get KILLED on pin weight because they have a lot lower rear axle & GVWR than a 1-ton.

    5th wheel trailering weights are higher than bumper pull because more weight is placed direclty over the rear axle and shared more with the front axle. Bumper pull towing capacity is lower because the trailer is connected 3-5 feet behind the rear axle. That lifts the front axle up and doesn't allow it to assist in carrying the weight like a 5th wheel.

    Since a 5th wheel will allow you to carry more weight, I'm wondering if you could fit your 5th wheeler on the trailer "across" the trailer then fit your tractor equipment on it. They're only about 3-4 feet wide. With a 5th wheel you can also increase your tongue weight since the load is over the rear axle rather than behind it. You could still have the bed free for some bags of fert, chemicals, etc.

    Another option is an aluminum trailer. It would probably weigh 35-40% less and make up for your 3/4 ton's shortcomings. That way you can increase your payload quite a bit, maybe 1,000 lbs! They're noticeably more expensive, but it might be your only option if you must have a trailer but can't part with your existing truck.

    A set of ride rite airbags would be really nice to help level the truck..

    Maybe you can find a used aluminum trailer to take the sting out of buying one.

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Sounds like a puzzle that needs to be put together. Here are my thoughts whether they are right or wrong.

    If your tractor has a loader and have pallet forks, get two pallets, strap the disk on one and set it on the front/drivers side, put the planter or chisel on the other and do the same on the front/passenger side. This will save a little space I think. Then either put fertilizer/seed and the four wheeler along side the tractor, or put the four wheeler crossways behind the pallets and in front of the tractor with the fert./seed beside the tractor. All this being a deckover trailer. I have had to do this kind of loading often to fit everything I want to take. Might consider a 24' deckover gooseneck. What other things down the road might you do that needs a longer trailer? Get a bigger one now instead of trading 2 years down the road. You thought 21-22' should (keyword "should") be enough, go 2' more at least than that IMO. Trailers are like shops, usually never big enough. Like I said, this is my thoughts to this situation. Good luck!!

    Dennis
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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Quote Originally Posted by newt92
    Sounds like a puzzle that needs to be put together. Here are my thoughts whether they are right or wrong.

    If your tractor has a loader and have pallet forks, get two pallets, strap the disk on one and set it on the front/drivers side, put the planter or chisel on the other and do the same on the front/passenger side. This will save a little space I think. Then either put fertilizer/seed and the four wheeler along side the tractor, or put the four wheeler crossways behind the pallets and in front of the tractor with the fert./seed beside the tractor. All this being a deckover trailer. I have had to do this kind of loading often to fit everything I want to take. Might consider a 24' deckover gooseneck. What other things down the road might you do that needs a longer trailer? Get a bigger one now instead of trading 2 years down the road. You thought 21-22' should (keyword "should") be enough, go 2' more at least than that IMO. Trailers are like shops, usually never big enough. Like I said, this is my thoughts to this situation. Good luck!!

    Dennis
    I really like my GN's (2). the tag along (bumper hitch) I use for the backhoe. I would get a GN 28ft, you wont be sorry. Make sure you dont overload any trailer you buy. Sounds like your truck might be an issue, check it out and see what its rated for. I hate to add this, because of the flack, but IF the trailer is rated, for more than 10,000 lbs, you have to have a CDL, Yes this is a bummer, lots of this going on, with no CDL. Just hope you dont get stopped.
    Read the post about CDL, trailering, etc

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Willis Fecon Bushhogging
    I really like my GN's (2). the tag along (bumper hitch) I use for the backhoe. I would get a GN 28ft, you wont be sorry. Make sure you dont overload any trailer you buy. Sounds like your truck might be an issue, check it out and see what its rated for. I hate to add this, because of the flack, but IF the trailer is rated, for more than 10,000 lbs, you have to have a CDL, Yes this is a bummer, lots of this going on, with no CDL. Just hope you dont get stopped.
    Read the post about CDL, trailering, etc
    You don't need a CDL to tow a 10K trailer unless the truck and trailer is in excess of 26K lbs and the trailer is in excess of 10K lbs. Since it's doubtful his combination is over 26,000lbs, he won't need a CDL.

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Willis Fecon Bushhogging
    , but IF the trailer is rated, for more than 10,000 lbs, you have to have a CDL, Yes this is a bummer, lots of this going on, with no CDL. Just hope you dont get stopped.
    Read the post about CDL, trailering, etc
    Depends on the state.

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    I think I'm on the money about the tractor weight as I checked the manual and I do not have an FEL though I wish I did. Now the other implements weights are guesses, hopefully to the high side.

    Here are the specs for the hitch on the Truck:

    V-5 Talon
    Weight Carrying 7500Lb.
    Weight Distributing 12,000lb.
    It has a Class 3 slide in reciever

    For the truck the information is listed as follows out of the owners manual:

    10,100lbs. maximum trailer weight

    Then it goes on to say that GN kingpin weight should be 15% to 25% of trailer weight up to 2,500 lbs.

    The thing is the scenerio I gave is worst case and should occur infrequently but something I need to plan around. Sure would be very advantageous with gas prices to only make one trip vs. two. Hope that give you guys a little more info. Sorry I didn't include it before.

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    Default Re: Need bigtime help on trailer decision

    Quote Originally Posted by LabLuvR
    I'm going into the food plot business and will need to haul as much equipment as possible at one time. Being almost to the point of stupid about trailers I'm in dire need of some suggestions if you will.

    Here is the deal. I have a 2500 HD 4x4 GMC with the gas six liter engine.In the worst case scenerio with my plot business I see me needing to haul the following at one time "if possible".

    37 hp 4x4 kubota around 3,000 lbs. 12 ft. long
    Six foot deep disc around 1,000 lbs.??
    6' chisel plow 3' deep around 1,000lbs
    2 row JD Flex 71 planter 800 lbs????????

    All of those pieces come up to me needing around a length of 21-22' of load space.

    Can this be done safely with one trailer? I think it can but need someone that knows to advise. Second, while I do recognize a gooseneck would probably be the best, it is almost essential that I keep the pickup bed free to haul a four wheeler, fertilizer etc.etc

    My grand plan is to back the disc onto the trailer, then back on the planter and then have the tractor with the chisel plow attached, facing foward on the trailer as that would be the first implement I would probably need. I can with no problem switch things around if suggested but need to get two piece of equipment near the front of the trailer with tractor being last.

    All opinions welcome. Thanks again!!

    The tractor appears to be just over 10' unless you have a FEL which should put it over 12'. It should weigh in at approx. 33-3400 lbs.

    I would definitely get a GN instead of a bumper pull. Planting food plots will probably put you in some tight situations with your truck/trailer, and it is easier to spin around with a GN.

    ATV's are usually about 48"s wide. I would park it on the trailer, just figure the extra length needed. You could even get a seed spreader for your ATV and a helper could spread seed while your discing the next plot.

    You will not need a CDL for a 10k trailer.

    GOOD LUCK!

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