What diesel trucks to avoid

[RayCo]

Originally Posted by scesnick

Exactly, interior bells and whistles don't get the loads pulled down the road. if i want to ride in luxury I will borrow my dads Caddy !!!

My wife had a Lincoln Navigator, and I have to say that they really didn't do a good job at all at disguising the fact that it's a truck. It rode like a truck, but with air conditioned leather seats. I really didn't like that vehicle, but when I used it to tow 1000 pound garden tractors on a 1500 pound landscape trailer, I never knew the trailer was there. With my 95 Dakota, even that light of a load would push the truck around a bit.

Cadillac, on the other hand, did things totally differently. I had an STS, and I loved that it was its own car. It wasn't just a Chevy Impala with some fancy trim or something like that. It was a Cadillac from the ground up. Of course, I'm not really making a fair comparison here, since to do so I'd have to compare the Navigator to the Escalade. But, I have no interest in such vehicles anymore since my daughter was born. If I have money to spend, I'm spending it on her, not a freaking car payment.
</div>

[skargo]

I'm partial to my 1998.5 dodge ram 4x4 quadcab, of course.

I have the engine hopped up to over 500rwhp and 1100 lb/ft, but despite the performance, it's dead nuts reliable.
I did replace the trans with a rugged race trans.

The doors are garbage, and a poor design. Mine are rusted to ****. I run a body shop and won't even consider fixing them. My bed is starting to rust around the arches too.
But I don't care, I bought it 4 years ago instead of getting something newer.
I'll run this bad ol' truck into the ground, enjoying 18 mpg daily driving it and having the power to surprise many, if provoked.

Once you get a diesel, you'll not go back to a gasser I would bet. Regardless of make or model. Because as we know, OUR trucks are the best!

[coobie]

Originally Posted by Diamondpilot

Dodge makes a good truck but it is a know fact that the bodies just dont hold up as well as the GM or Ford's. At least in my part of the country where they salt the **** out of the roads. Also the 4 speed tranny if looking at a auto leaves alot to be desired in that era of truck.

I know you will think I am biased but the Fords I love have weak points also like ball joints. The GM's are a little shy on brakes so they all have good and strong points. The thing Dodge has going for it is that motor. The Cummins is legendary.

Chris

I am going on my 5th winter(bought in dec of 2003) with my 2004 dodge 2500 3/4 ton pickup 5.9 cummins diesel and the body and everthing else on the truck is in excellent condition.I live in Southern Michigan and they salt the PI$$ out of the roads here.The 48re auto tranny is a excellant tranny IMHO.coobie

[scesnick]

the Quad cab is perfect for kids and bigger kids. it isn't so big that it fees like you are driving a bus like the crew cab fords or the Mega cab Dodge. It is a perfect fit if you aske me. And they have plenty of room back there and room to grow also...

[Crash101]

I hear and read often of remarks concerning the Dodge body and transmission problems and certainly believe the reputation is well deserved. That well deserved reputation however is based on earlier models and does not apply to the current generation Dodge truck. To suggest this model Dodge is in any way inferior to a GM or Ford (both very fine trucks) is to confirm one probably doesn't know what he/she is talking about and is speaking based on opinions or influence from someone else. After 40 years of buying a whole lot of vehicles (never a Chrysler product until 2002) if I were to buy a new truck and intend to work it for a million miles, I guarantee that smooth riding GM or that nice looking Ford would be second and third choice. My bias is not without a good deal of personal experience, much of it from those other brands including a few I looked forward to being rid of.

[chh]

Originally Posted by skargo

Once you get a diesel, you'll not go back to a gasser I would bet. Regardless of make or model. Because as we know, OUR trucks are the best!

Nope, had the best, a '97 2500 4wd Dodge diesel. Traded it in this year for a F 350 C/C with a V-10. I wouldn't have one of the new 08' diesels at all.

[skargo]

Originally Posted by chh

Nope, had the best, a '97 2500 4wd Dodge diesel. Traded it in this year for a F 350 C/C with a V-10. I wouldn't have one of the new 08' diesels at all.

I agree with not wanting a newer diesel, the old ones for me please!

[Baranx4]

I presently have a new chevy diesel LMM motor crewcab 4ws and am very happy with it. Right now I have just over 10,000 miles on it and get 17-20 mpg with mostly highway it should get better as the engine loosens up. I haven't done straight city driving with it so I can't say. I bought it this past January and can tell you that the new engines start right up without plugging them in when it's cold. With winter fuel I think my worst tank was just under 16 but as I said I do mostly highway with it. I've done minimal towing with it other than a few short runs with towing stone or my boat. I've read posts of owners with worse and better mpg. Honestly the fuel mpg is better than I had expected. I've read quite a few posts at thedieselplace.com about how a programmer with power increase actually helps fuel mpg.

I'm surprised that I didn't see anyone post about staying away from the ford 6.0 engines as the early ones had a boat load of issues related to the injection pumps and cold starting and the new 6.4 engines have poor mpg. The 7.3 engines got great mpg and the engine was known to last. For towing its power isn't near what the new ones have but how much power do you need.

The dodge 5.9 cummins is probably the main reason that diesels at at the power level they are today. The cummins is almost bullet proof and expect 300,000 miles before major overhaul. It says alot when ford used to put the 5.9 cummins in their higher gvw trucks. Fuel mpg varies with them as well. When the torque wars started the mpg between the big three took a nosedive. I think 98 was the year they changed to a 24valve head. The only problems I see with the dodge is they rust badly here in northeastern Pa. It's a state that uses rocksalt on the roads. I'm not sure yet with the 2004 and newer body style yet. I actually had a deal in place for a 2007 dodge megacab leftover when the dealer started playing games. Turns out he was working a deal on a truck that was already sold, just in case the other guys financing fell through Then tried to get me to buy the only other one they had. I wanted a 5.9 cummins and wanted to stay away from the 6.7 cummins. It was it's first year out and on the dodge diesel sites there were a fair amount of posts with complaints of mpg and other issues

I suggest you go to a few of the brand specific web sites to look over posts there. Good luck

[ultrarunner]

A little different tack...

A lot of the service guys have gone to Dodge Sprinter Diesels and like em...

The Sprinter is basically a re-badged Mercedes...

In Europe, that model is know for reliability.

One of my neighbors is a lifelong Dodge Service Techs and he said even with Diesel over $5 a gallon in CA... the Sprinters are still selling. He also said, empty or loaded they get 20 mpg... the dual is one ton and get slightly less.

Anyone here have any experience with one?

My old Chevy G20 Service Truck with a 305 gas engine is 23 years old and I'm not sold on the new models from Ford or GM

[browns40]

It was more "horsepower wars" than torque wars, and EPA demands that choked the economy out of the diesels.

Daily commuters (not haulers) wanted a quieter vehicle that accelerated/responded more like the gas engine they were replacing, and the EPA, well.... political commentary is not something to go into.

Dieselplace, DieselGarage, Brand-specific forums will give you a lot of verbage on the different diesels, but like here "mine is best" rules. If you have time to look through, you will see the common issues & questions that keep surfacing regarding each truck/motor.

Good luck!