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    Default Re: More Ford 6.7L Scorpion News

    its amazing the technology in diesel motors now. i have an 06 6.0 and love it. i can't imagine more power than that. people will need a cdl to drive these things before long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deerefan View Post
    its amazing the technology in diesel motors now. i have an 06 6.0 and love it. i can't imagine more power than that. people will need a cdl to drive these things before long.
    I have an 05, really like it but it is LOUD- I have to turn it off in drivethrus LOL.

    I was behind a Dodge Bluetec the other day (in my car, not the truck) It was really quiet and did not put out the fumes that older ones do. I was refueling next to a newer Chevy Duramax. He left it running and it was much quieter as well.

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    Default Re: More Ford 6.7L Scorpion News

    That's the most complicated engine I've ever seen.

    At least they got with the program and went with aluminum heads like the duramax.

    Disappointed to see it made in Mexico, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Builder View Post
    That's the most complicated engine I've ever seen.

    At least they got with the program and went with aluminum heads like the duramax.

    Disappointed to see it made in Mexico, though.
    Then you must not have ever popped the hood on a 6.4 psd, it makes that 6.7 look about as complex as a carbed 300 six. That being said, the 6.4's we have are very quiet, and have been mostly trouble free, the new 6.4 trucks are a joy to drive, I just hope and pray they are long gone before I have to do anything major to them.

    It is good to see that ford finaly realized the consumer does not want to remove the cab to do major work to they're vehicle. I would almost consider buying one after they are out for a couple years, except I cannot get past the urea injection headache, I realize this is an industry thing and not a ford thing.

    Ditto on the Mexico, it would be nice to see the big 3 start building more things in the U.S., but I am not holding my breath for that.

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    Another interesting article on the 6.7L:

    "Ford Motor Co.
    Ford Motor Co. plans to start selling a new 6.7-liter diesel engine in its 2011 F-Series Super Duty pickups.
    Updated at 5:27 p.m.

    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ford Motor Co.'s Brook Park engine complex will not build the company's new diesel truck engine, despite years of negotiations aimed at bringing the work here.

    Instead, the company said Monday it would build the 6.7-liter diesel engine for model year 2011 F-Series Super Duty trucks in Chihuahua, Mexico.

    Not getting the diesel leaves one less option for Cleveland Engine Plant No. 2, which could close if it doesn't get a new product by 2011.

    Ford last year said it would invest $3 billion in several Mexican plants to get ready for the upcoming Ford Fiesta subcompact and other vehicles. That investment included money for the Chihuahua engine plant that now makes only four-cylinder gasoline engines.

    Union and state officials had been involved in talks to bring the diesel engine to Brook Park. The 2007 contract between Ford and the United Auto Workers called for the automaker to consider Engine Plant No. 2 for the work. That facility now makes six-cylinder engines for the Ford Fusion sedan and the Ford Escape sport utility vehicle.

    "We've had continued talks with Ford about new products for Plant No. 2 and more work for Plant No. 1," Mike Gammella, president of UAW Local 1250, said Monday. Engine Plant No. 1 makes the turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine used in the new Taurus SHO.

    Engine Plant No. 2 has about 400 people working a single shift making six-cylinder car engines. The plant lost its second shift more than a year ago, as most people buying the Fusion and Escape are opting for the four-cylinder version. The casting plant in Brook Park is scheduled to close next year.

    Auto industry analysts have said they expect Ford to phase out the 3-liter engine being built at Engine Plant No. 2 by 2011. With the diesel engine now out of the picture, Ford would have to build something else in that plant to keep it open. Gammella has put his hopes on winning four-cylinder engines for small cars.

    During contract talks with the union earlier this year, Ford committed to bringing more engine production to the United States. The company has said it will have to double its capacity for building four-cylinder engines.

    Most of the new vehicles that Ford plans to introduce over the next five years are smaller cars that were designed in Asia and Europe. The company expects fuel prices to rise, encouraging buyers to select smaller vehicles. And new federal fuel-economy regulations are also encouraging it to build more four-cylinder engines.

    Gammella has said repeatedly that new small engines in Brook Park would provide more job security than the diesels.

    The 6.7-liter diesel engine will be the first the company has made in decades for domestic use. Trucking giant Navistar has made Ford's diesel engines since 1979.

    That relationship crashed following the 2003 release of the 6-liter Powerstroke diesel. Customers reported huge numbers of problems with that engine, forcing Ford to buy back thousands of trucks. Ford blamed Navistar for the problems, and Navistar blamed Ford.

    Navistar and Ford replaced the troubled 6-liter with a 6.4-liter engine in 2007. The changeover was necessary to meet new federal diesel emissions standards for 2007. Diesel standards tighten again in 2011, forcing the latest upgrade.

    Ford did not release the horsepower and torque numbers on the new engine, key statistics for the commercial truck users who rely on the vehicles. The company said fuel economy and power would both be higher than the current diesel offering.

    While Ford has outsourced its truck engine diesels for the past 30 years, it has developed its own car diesels in Europe for about as long."
    It will be interesting to make the comparisons and a decision when I need my next truck. I think buying a second solid used truck instead of another new one may be a viable option. The complexity, urea BS, and cost to purchase (gotta think they will be ~ 60 grand) is probably not worth it.

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    Default Re: More Ford 6.7L Scorpion News

    Another article, much the same but a little more info. Ford 6.7L Powerstroke Diesel Engine - Diesel Power Magazine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Builder View Post
    Another interesting article on the 6.7L:



    It will be interesting to make the comparisons and a decision when I need my next truck. I think buying a second solid used truck instead of another new one may be a viable option. The complexity, urea BS, and cost to purchase (gotta think they will be ~ 60 grand) is probably not worth it.
    Call me when your looking to buy. Mine will be for sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmu98 View Post
    Call me when your looking to buy. Mine will be for sale
    No thanks. You already blabbed all your problems with your truck all over the internet.

    I'll be looking for a Dodge 3500 or GMC4500 with a factory exhaust brake and heavy duty transmission. They'll be dirt cheap in a few years from now.

    I'm not buying anything that complicated or expensive, I'll leave that for the "brave" who want to take a chance on a new (mexican) diesel with no track record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Builder View Post
    No thanks. You already blabbed all your problems with your truck all over the internet.

    I'll be looking for a Dodge 3500 or GMC4500 with a factory exhaust brake and heavy duty transmission. They'll be dirt cheap in a few years from now.

    I'm not buying anything that complicated or expensive, I'll leave that for the "brave" who want to take a chance on a new (mexican) diesel with no track record.
    I am with you. I am a Ford truck user, but the chances of Ford getting this right out of the box is not good. Major design changes. I have late model 6.4L Ford with no issues. Maybe in few years. Bought my 08 for 13K off list price, no doubt new unit won't be that cheap.

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