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    I've been loading my JD 3520 w/FEL and Frontier RC1060 on my 18 ft 10,000 lb trailer for a monthly bushhogging job for a commercial client.

    As you can see by my pics I can get the whole rig on the trailer by dropping the bucket and lifting the tailwheel on the cutter with about six inches to spare.

    My situation is by driving on there seems to be too much weight on the front and with backing on too much in the back. I can't find a happy medium.

    Not having the the FEL w/bucket isn't an option due to some slope I have to cut on this site because I feel it adds some stability.

    If I have to spend some money at the end of the year for tax purposes I was thinking about getting a 20 ft trailer.

    My question is would an extra two feet make enough difference in the weight distribution.

    I'm not sure where the tipping point is in either direction so the next time I load it on I could drive it to certain points on the trailer to see just where that is. Then I would know if two more feet will do anything for me.

    Until then I'll take any input on the matter.
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    Default Re: Trailer weight distribution

    Personally it does not look bad to me. Do you run a WD hitch? If not that will cure your weight issues.

    If not go for a 22' trailer. That way you can get a box blade or other implement on the front of the trailer.

    Chris

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    Default Re: Trailer weight distribution

    Could you back the rig on to the trailer? Not enough tongue weight if you do that?

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    Default Re: Trailer weight distribution

    It looks like you have a couple feet to move your tractor back, if you are willing to let 1/3 of the bush hog hang off the back. The front 2/3 resting on the trailer should be enough.

    I adjust the tractor at loading time to get a specific tongue weight. This can be estimated by the sag at the hitch ball, which for my truck is about 1 inch for every 200 lbs. That can be determined, if you weigh about 200 lbs, by standing on the hitch with no trailer attached and seeing how much it sags. Then hook up the trailer and drive on with the tractor to find the spot that gives your target tongue weight (about 10% of the gross weight of trailer plus load). If the implements don't hang off too much, tie them down and you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondpilot View Post
    Personally it does not look bad to me. Do you run a WD hitch? If not that will cure your weight issues.

    If not go for a 22' trailer. That way you can get a box blade or other implement on the front of the trailer.

    Chris
    Its really not that bad, I've seen alot worse. It's just a pet peeve of mine to see trucks squatted down. I think a HD truck should look like it can handle a load.

    That's just me.

    No I don't run a WD hitch. To be honest I don't even know what that is. Please explain.

    A 22' would solve the problem. It would look funny pulling that long trailer around all week for the lawn care business with just one mower but I guess thats what you have to put up when trying to make one size fit all.

    Thanks for the input. Keep it coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncrunch32 View Post
    Could you back the rig on to the trailer? Not enough tongue weight if you do that?
    I drove it in that way in the morning and its was obvious that there is too much weight in the back. It doesn't pull the backend of the truck up but it only lowers it about an inch. It drove fine but like I said the truck isn't carrying it share of the weight.

    Thats the trouble with these CUT's they are all front heavy
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvwicker View Post
    It looks like you have a couple feet to move your tractor back, if you are willing to let 1/3 of the bush hog hang off the back. The front 2/3 resting on the trailer should be enough.

    I adjust the tractor at loading time to get a specific tongue weight. This can be estimated by the sag at the hitch ball, which for my truck is about 1 inch for every 200 lbs. That can be determined, if you weigh about 200 lbs, by standing on the hitch with no trailer attached and seeing how much it sags. Then hook up the trailer and drive on with the tractor to find the spot that gives your target tongue weight (about 10% of the gross weight of trailer plus load). If the implements don't hang off too much, tie them down and you're good to go.
    I really started to think about doing that the nite before when I was loading it. The gap where the chains hang down on the cutter would give me about a 12"-16" more on the trailer if I overhang it.

    I just need a way to protect the trailer with some lumber if I do that.

    Thanks for the formula for tongue weight. I'll try that next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LHS Inc View Post
    I drove it in that way in the morning and its was obvious that there is too much weight in the back. It doesn't pull the backend of the truck up but it only lowers it about an inch. It drove fine but like I said the truck isn't carrying it share of the weight.
    I would be concerned about that also, but you say it drove fine, so ... what's the problem? Just don't like loading it backwards? Can't blame you for that. But if you don't mind doing that, take your rig to a scale and weigh each axle. Maybe it is closer to being loaded correctly than you realize?

    I hope I do not divert your thread off-subject but I do not think the way you are putting your chains on your trailer is a very good idea. Better than no chains, which I see a lot of around my area!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffsw6 View Post
    I would be concerned about that also, but you say it drove fine, so ... what's the problem? Just don't like loading it backwards? Can't blame you for that. But if you don't mind doing that, take your rig to a scale and weigh each axle. Maybe it is closer to being loaded correctly than you realize?

    I hope I do not divert your thread off-subject but I do not think the way you are putting your chains on your trailer is a very good idea. Better than no chains, which I see a lot of around my area!
    Yeah it drove fine but I know the truck needs to take more of the load than it is with the tractor on backwards. I always strive for the truck to level out when I'm hooked to the trailer.

    I don't have a problem driving it on forward or backward, either way feels safe to me.


    Can you explain the reason why you feel the chains are wrong? How would you do it?

    They are G/70 chains with G/70 Ratchet Binders. Hooked to the tractor frame pulling forward and hooked to a clevis on the drawbar pulling back. Chains attached to the trailer by running down thru the stake pockets and coming back up to hook on as to not come unhooked.

    Not taking it personal. The thread will probably be diverted off subject or hijacked as they say but I'm always open to a better, safer way of doing things.

    Thanks for your reply.
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    Default Re: Trailer weight distribution

    My guess on the chains:

    On the chains, the front hooks may be able to slip back to the position the black hooks are now in. That could create an inch or two of slack.

    And, the chains do not go direct from tractor to anchor. On the front, one goes around a post and the other goes around the bucket. On the rear, the chain seems to go around the mower.

    Some areas may require a separate strap/chain for the bucket and mower.

    One chain through a shackle as on the rear does not keep the trailer from moving sideways, and if the front is about the same, if one chain or tiedown breaks, the whole load is loose. You could cut your long chains in half and make 4 independent tiedowns.

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    If you keep that trailer, you might consider installing new anchors, once the best tractor position is determined.

    Bruce
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