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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Horse
    Big 10-4 on AW Direct- And Scotty Dive-not sure where you are in CT but AW has a big warehouse right off the Berlin Turnpike-check their website. Got my ratchets and chains there- they have USA stuff too!

    And wouldn't have any binder other than ratchets-makes tightening up so much easier and you don't have to worry about a pipe slipping off and taking your teeth out!
    You still have your teeth? I knocked mine out the first time I used mine.

    Chris

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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    For years I loaded/unloaded equipment every day using the flip over/snap style binders.
    A lot of my friends and co-workers keep telling me how dangerous they were and I should be using the rachet binders.
    Paid no attention to their warnings till a binder handle slipped out of my hands and fractured my skull.
    An ambulance ride and a stay in the hospital made me start using rachet binders.
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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    rachet binders i have a reg binders i cant use them with use of one hand rackets are the way to go get the harbor fright binders just to make sure you take em apart and clean the shavening out of them before you use them i learned the hard way

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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    I have a couple of these from lowes and some older ones that are the same style. For hauling your jeep straps are fine, you may want to get a set of axle straps.
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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty Dive View Post
    I have a 16 foot trailer and from time to time I put my jeep or my tractor on it. Currently I use rachet straps on all 4 corners - something like 14400 pounds per strap if I remember correctly..
    Just an FYI: most straps are marked for breaking strength, NOT Working Load Limit, which is typically 20% of the breaking strength.

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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    My trailer manual says not to use the ratchet binders- over tighting will bow the trailer in time and can cause stake pockets to break under road stress. It also says to go through stake pockets and hook to trailer frame. I found a cheater pipe at a Kangaroo Fuel Stop that has a end that will release the binder without creating a flying club.
    My brother is warehouse/shipping manager for a local steel company and they don't use the ratchet binders.
    He says they are hard to tighten and will work loose on mixed steel loads if it shifts. They also get stolen off the loads all the time!
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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    My trailer manual says not to use the ratchet binders- over tighting will bow the trailer in time and can cause stake pockets to break under road stress. It also says to go through stake pockets and hook to trailer frame. I found a cheater pipe at a Kangaroo Fuel Stop that has a end that will release the binder without creating a flying club.
    My brother is warehouse/shipping manager for a local steel company and they don't use the ratchet binders.
    He says they are hard to tighten and will work loose on mixed steel loads if it shifts. They also get stolen off the loads all the time!
    PROUD AIR FORCE DAD


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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    Quote Originally Posted by kneedeep View Post
    My trailer manual says not to use the ratchet binders- over tighting will bow the trailer in time and can cause stake pockets to break under road stress. It also says to go through stake pockets and hook to trailer frame. I found a cheater pipe at a Kangaroo Fuel Stop that has a end that will release the binder without creating a flying club.
    My brother is warehouse/shipping manager for a local steel company and they don't use the ratchet binders.
    He says they are hard to tighten and will work loose on mixed steel loads if it shifts. They also get stolen off the loads all the time!
    Are you saying that breakover binders wont get loose if the load shifts? Not likely! Any tie down method will loosen if the load shifts, which is why you are supposed to check the binders or whatever a few miles down the road after everything settles in and then again every 100 miles or so.
    As for over tightening, I would think that boomers would tighten move than necessary as you only have a chain link to adjust where one link might be a little loose and the next link really tight needing a big cheater. Sure you can likely put more pressure on a rachet if using a cheater pipe, but dont do that as the handle is long enough to put plenty of tighteness on the chains. Nothing is idiot proof and the driver needs to have some common sense when it comes to loading and securing.
    I am more inclined to think that the reason that company uses boomers is because they are cheaper not better.
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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    I got a set of "Tie Down Tamers" from Erickson. Love them. They work real well to keep those annoying strap "tails" under control. Only takes a few seconds to roll up the unused straps. Cant say enough good about them they really neaten things up.
    But they are nylon (10,000 lbs breaking) and if you run them over a something sharp without protection they will fray.
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    Chains are excellent but come with their own problems. Unless needed for load capacity, careful nylon strap placement should get you through.

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    Default Re: Binders - Which Kind?

    I use ratchet binders as well. I have manual binders but switched to the ratchet type. It doesn't take too many times getting hit in the jaw, teeth or head to realize there must be a better way.

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