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    Default Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    So I have a Ventrac 4231 Turbo Diesel. I am aware that this motor is not held in high regard with the general public. I have almost 200 hours on it so far, with no problems yet. I have two basic complaints though.

    1. It overheats too easily. When the temperature is over 80 degF, radiator needs to be kept very clean to prevent overheating. On a 4 hour mow job I will have to clean out the radiator several times. On a really dry day, I will have to blow the dust out of the radiator at least once.

    2. Not enough power. On 20+ degree slopes, I cannot go full speed in Low Range when mowing. In my opinion, the motor should be powerful enough to go full speed in low range up to 30 degree inclines.

    Other than that, the motor has been great. Runs smooth, and has fantastic fuel economy.

    So anyway, the new 4500 motor lineup from Ventrac offers little benefit to what I have, with maybe the exception of the 32.5 HP kubota. It seemed to have more power in the comparison video. I looked at the Steiner website, and the 440 now has an available 40HP Gas air cooled motor made by Kohler. Just wondering if anybody has tried this machine, and how much hill climbing power does it have? Also, would love to hear all of your thoughts on the engine lineups and which one is best on both brands.

    If anybody has any first hand horror stories with the Briggs Turbo Diesel, I would like to hear those as well.
    Deere 5520, Deere 450H Dozer, Power Trac PT1460, Ventrac 4231 Turbo Diesel, Deere Z-Track 757, Ferris 3100Z 6 foot deck. Never too many toys!

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    Me To!...LOL


    Ok... I'm officially getting uneasy now...
    Where I'm from, the diesels last twice as long as the gas models.
    Question,
    I need a slope mower, with dualies, 72" finish deck, and Diesel or gas motor thats going to survive at least 5000 hrs.
    Is that too much to ask from Steiner or Ventrac?
    It will be mowing 15 acres of ground. 1 acre is flat the rest is at 30 to 34 degrees and i will bulldoze smooth out beforehand.
    Which engine should i shoot for... Since my first pick is now officially out(4231TD)

    Steiner
    430-25G 25 HP kubota Gas Engine
    430-30G 30 HP Kohler Gas Engine
    430-33G 33 HP Generac Gas Engine
    430-21D 21 HP Kubota Diesel Engine

    Ventrac:
    Engine Option Specifications



    Ventrac Model
    Engine
    Max Slope
    Tractor Weight

    Manufacturer
    HP
    Cooling
    Fuel Type
    Cylinders #
    Engine Disp.
    Continuous
    Intermittent



    4131
    B&S Vanguard
    31HP
    Air
    Gas
    2-cyl
    896cc
    25ー
    30ー
    1290 lbs*



    4500K
    B&S Vanguard
    31HP
    Air
    Gas
    2-cyl
    896cc
    25ー
    30ー
    1340 lbs*



    4226D
    B&S Daihatsu
    26.5HP
    Liquid
    Diesel
    3-cyl
    953cc
    30ー
    30ー
    1560 lbs



    4231TD
    B&S Daihatsu
    31HP
    Liquid
    Diesel (Turbo)
    3-cyl
    953cc
    30ー
    30ー
    1630 lbs



    4500Z
    Kubota
    32.5HP
    Liquid
    Gas (Propane Ready)
    3-cyl
    962cc
    20ー
    30ー

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    If you have the budget you might consider either:

    SuperSlopeMaster: Commercial Steep Slope Mowers

    or

    TSM Class

    Both offer mowers that are rated for slopes of 40 degrees (45 degrees for the PT- 1850) and have diesel engines with very long expected life.

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    My other option is to put 3 point brush hog on the back of my 52 year old JOHN deere 440 bulldozer. Then buy some fence and 20 goats?....

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainJoe View Post
    My other option is to put 3 point brush hog on the back of my 52 year old JOHN deere 440 bulldozer. Then buy some fence and 20 goats?....
    Sheep are safer...also tastes better than goat meat...
    The tops of old military ammo bunkers used to be trimmed by sheep
    Power options - Ventrac and Steiner-johnsville_pa_04_bunker.jpg

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob999 View Post
    If you have the budget you might consider either:

    SuperSlopeMaster: Commercial Steep Slope Mowers

    or

    TSM Class

    Both offer mowers that are rated for slopes of 40 degrees (45 degrees for the PT- 1850) and have diesel engines with very long expected life.
    The PT-1850 is notorious for overheating, not sure about the PT1845. These motors were just not designed to run at full HP in high heat areas. I would think that the 38HP Yanmar in the SlopeMaster would be your bet bet.

    The Ventracs are only rated for 30 degree slopes, but they are fairly conservatively rated. They should be able to take a few degrees more intermittently. I think that the 4500 with the gas powered kubota, or the fuel injected Kawasaki, would give you the kind of hours you are looking for.
    Deere 5520, Deere 450H Dozer, Power Trac PT1460, Ventrac 4231 Turbo Diesel, Deere Z-Track 757, Ferris 3100Z 6 foot deck. Never too many toys!

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    got an offer: He wants $10,000.00 for a Kut Kwick SSM 1100 hrs 2001 model 38 hp Yanmar diesel with dualie wheels 60"cut.
    Needs exhaust, center spindal and paint not pretty

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    There is a PT1850 in decent shape for $11000. Just another option for you.
    Deere 5520, Deere 450H Dozer, Power Trac PT1460, Ventrac 4231 Turbo Diesel, Deere Z-Track 757, Ferris 3100Z 6 foot deck. Never too many toys!

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    the Power trac 1850 in NC was sold last year. Owner has been asking Power Trac to take it off of their site but they are slow to respond.

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    Default Re: Power options - Ventrac and Steiner

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainJoe View Post
    the Power trac 1850 in NC was sold last year. Owner has been asking Power Trac to take it off of their site but they are slow to respond.
    That pretty much sums up Power Trac right there.
    Deere 5520, Deere 450H Dozer, Power Trac PT1460, Ventrac 4231 Turbo Diesel, Deere Z-Track 757, Ferris 3100Z 6 foot deck. Never too many toys!

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