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    Default Re: HOW DOES AC WELDING DIFFER FROM DC WELDING

    You have probably noticed a trend; an AC/DC machine gives you a better weld in most cases and also give you more versitility. One point, make sure your supply circuit is heavy enough to handle the welder. Running DC draws a little more input current than AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul N View Post
    You can also weld thinner metal.
    i weld sheet metal ( car / tractor body / hood panel thickness ) with a 30/70a ac arc welder. any thinner and you could put the metal on a barn roof.

    dc welds thinner than this? like what? aluminum foil maybee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerdib View Post
    If I recall correctly, 7018 used to only be available for use on DC but now they have 7018 that will burn pretty well on either
    7018 has always been a AC/DC rod. In the last several years, some 7018 has been manufactured which is certainly better on AC than in past years. But the AWS has always considered 7018 as AC/DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock knocker View Post
    xxx8 Even numbers are AC/DC, odd is AC
    I'm not sure that's right. Here's what the Internet says.

    EXX10 DC+ (DC reverse or DCRP) electrode positive.
    EXX11 AC or DC- (DC straight or DCSP) electrode negative.
    EXX12 AC or DC-
    EXX13 AC, DC- or DC+
    EXX14 AC, DC- or DC+
    EXX15 DC+
    EXX16 AC or DC+
    EXX18 AC, DC- or DC+
    EXX20 AC ,DC- or DC+
    EXX24 AC, DC- or DC+
    EXX27 AC, DC- or DC+
    EXX28 AC or DC+

    The "default" seems to be that everything can be run on DC, and some rods have stabilizers in their flux that also allow them to be run on AC. That's my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuabardwell

    The "default" seems to be that everything can be run on DC, and some rods have stabilizers in their flux that also allow them to be run on AC. That's my understanding.
    That's the way I've understood it.
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    Default Re: HOW DOES AC WELDING DIFFER FROM DC WELDING

    While 7018 could be ran many years ago with AC, it was definetely not an AC rod. Very hard to start and arced out a lot with AC. It took a steady hand and lots of patience to weld AC with 7018 back before the made an AC version. AC welding takes a very long arc length compared to DC rods and since all low hydrogen rods need to be keep to a short arc length, it made them very hard to weld with.
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    Default Re: HOW DOES AC WELDING DIFFER FROM DC WELDING

    cant really add anything other than the differences that are mentioned, are very subtle. Like it being quieter. It sure is, but unless you either weld everyday, or do it side by side, you probabally wont "notice".

    And if you were experienced and pretty good with the AC, again, DC is a little smoother and easier, but you may not "notice". IE: if you havent used your AC welder in a month, and bring this thing home and start burning rod, you may not "notice" these differences.
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    Default Re: HOW DOES AC WELDING DIFFER FROM DC WELDING

    Wonder if you could talk these guys into using an AC welder?
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    Default Re: HOW DOES AC WELDING DIFFER FROM DC WELDING

    Quote Originally Posted by Shield Arc View Post
    Wonder if you could talk these guys into using an AC welder?
    Shield Arc: For the n00bs out here, tell me why DC is safer in that circumstance than AC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    And if you were experienced and pretty good with the AC, again, DC is a little smoother and easier, but you may not "notice". IE: if you havent used your AC welder in a month, and bring this thing home and start burning rod, you may not "notice" these differences.
    I can kind of attest to this. I'm very new to welding. When I first got my welder, a diode in the rectifier bridge was bad and the DC output didn't work, so I started learning on AC. After a few weeks, I replaced the diodes and now practice pretty much 100% on DC. I can tell that the arc is a little easier to start, and I can see that there is less "buckshot" spatter, but as far as the "more stable arc," "easier to control," "nicer bead appearance," and so forth... well, my arc control and bead appearance is so bad to begin with that any difference the DC might be making is invisible.

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