How is this not robbery?
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Jim in ICT
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Would you have been more satisfied if it took the full three hours to do the repair and you sat there during the additional two hours? What's your time worth?
Estimates are written off of book time and a good mechanic should be able to shave some time off of that if he's to be successful.
If you contract to have a home built and are told it should take six months to build only to have it completed in 5-1/2, do you want a refund of the contractor's labor?
Estimates are written off of book time and a good mechanic should be able to shave some time off of that if he's to be successful.
If you contract to have a home built and are told it should take six months to build only to have it completed in 5-1/2, do you want a refund of the contractor's labor?
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One should not pay for labor not done. What do some of you people not understand.
I don't care if some one is speedy or not. Time is money in most things, but you have to do the work for the time.
If I tell you I am going to cut your lawn for $35, that is what you expect? It might take me 30 min, or maybe 2 hours. You get your moneys worth when I finish.
There is no sense carrying this thread any further, as there are two sides to the situation, those that earn their money for book time worked, and the other side that pay unnecessarily for time not worked.
Over estimation of a job should not put money in your pocket, because you are wrong for doing it, but if things were done right, should leave money in my pocket, and you still make a profit..
That is the way it is, is just not a good answer.
I don't care if some one is speedy or not. Time is money in most things, but you have to do the work for the time.
If I tell you I am going to cut your lawn for $35, that is what you expect? It might take me 30 min, or maybe 2 hours. You get your moneys worth when I finish.
There is no sense carrying this thread any further, as there are two sides to the situation, those that earn their money for book time worked, and the other side that pay unnecessarily for time not worked.
Over estimation of a job should not put money in your pocket, because you are wrong for doing it, but if things were done right, should leave money in my pocket, and you still make a profit..
That is the way it is, is just not a good answer.
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J J, you're just going to have to find a slower mechanic. since you wanted that mechanic to take the full 3 hours to do the job.:laughing:
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Now THAT'S funny!
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JJ I asked the question about 45/hr because I don't that is the cost + profit rate for that shop. The posters that indicated they had car repair indicated they charged a higher rate. The only way you could say how much you were over charged is to know what the REAL hourly rate is.
I have seen a number of situations where incorrect hourly rate and time to complete were shown to customer because they would balk at to high an hourly rate.
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Go ahead and feel proud that you cheated someone. Maybe it will come around to you bite you in the butt sometime. Maybe they will cheat your wife or son , and you will say, wow they really did rip you all off.
At least, slower is more fair. I never asked for speedy service, but I got it, but not really, because the estimate was WRONG. He really did the avg job, in a reasonable time.
And he** yes, work the three hours I paid you to work. The estimate did not include loafing , lunch break, and general BS with the other guys, or working on other jobs. . I am paying for your estimated time, If you deceive someone about the time, shame on you. Maybe some will stick it to you big time. Maybe it has been done already.
Some of you guys think professional, educated, being a certified mechanic, gives you the right to cheat some one. I don't care how you ring it up, it is a form of cheating, and nobody likes it. You may wind up with that same kind of work attitude in other parts of your life, especially about fairness and honesty.
Get another estimate, Do it your self, Go have loafer Joe do the job down the street, take it to the dealer, all BS
If I offer a bonus for speedy service in whatever trade, does that give you an incentive to work harder, and if I say a penalty will be in effect if you exceed the time limit. Those are expectations that one can rely on if in writing.
Why ,on the bill, does it not say estimated hours, and actual time worked, if one is to be fair.
Most wages are based on timed worked, and some pay commission for certain things, and that seems fair. How about the people that fudge the time card, is that fair. NO.
Estimated time of 3 hrs @$50, = $150
Actual time worked of 1 hour, = $150----- NOT
At least, slower is more fair. I never asked for speedy service, but I got it, but not really, because the estimate was WRONG. He really did the avg job, in a reasonable time.
And he** yes, work the three hours I paid you to work. The estimate did not include loafing , lunch break, and general BS with the other guys, or working on other jobs. . I am paying for your estimated time, If you deceive someone about the time, shame on you. Maybe some will stick it to you big time. Maybe it has been done already.
Some of you guys think professional, educated, being a certified mechanic, gives you the right to cheat some one. I don't care how you ring it up, it is a form of cheating, and nobody likes it. You may wind up with that same kind of work attitude in other parts of your life, especially about fairness and honesty.
Get another estimate, Do it your self, Go have loafer Joe do the job down the street, take it to the dealer, all BS
If I offer a bonus for speedy service in whatever trade, does that give you an incentive to work harder, and if I say a penalty will be in effect if you exceed the time limit. Those are expectations that one can rely on if in writing.
Why ,on the bill, does it not say estimated hours, and actual time worked, if one is to be fair.
Most wages are based on timed worked, and some pay commission for certain things, and that seems fair. How about the people that fudge the time card, is that fair. NO.
Estimated time of 3 hrs @$50, = $150
Actual time worked of 1 hour, = $150----- NOT
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JJ
I have NOT cheated anyone, period
I can't see where you understand my point.
what is an appropriate rate per hour for a 1.5 million dollar machine with a replacement cost of 2.5 million? If you can't tell me that how can you tell me an fair hourly rate for that machine then how are you qualified to fiz the shop rate of you mechanic?
I have NOT cheated anyone, period
I can't see where you understand my point.
what is an appropriate rate per hour for a 1.5 million dollar machine with a replacement cost of 2.5 million? If you can't tell me that how can you tell me an fair hourly rate for that machine then how are you qualified to fiz the shop rate of you mechanic?
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It is not hard to figure the shop rate if they charge you $150 for 3 hrs to do the job.
Yes, I do I understand about the system.
I know how you make your money, and a good idea of how the shop makes their money.
My observations of the job I had done were my observations, and I am sure a lot of people have experienced the same thing.
You all really don't have to explain about the repair business, be it automotive, air condition, or any other business that uses book time and estimates.
We all shop around for things we need done, but a lot of us will never know the skill and quality that went into a job. The finished job is just that. Most cases the repair is completed, but there are many nightmares about things that were supposed to be fixed and were not.
I did not say that you cheated.
What would you have charged to install a wiper motor in my truck, a 92 F-150?
Yes, I do I understand about the system.
I know how you make your money, and a good idea of how the shop makes their money.
My observations of the job I had done were my observations, and I am sure a lot of people have experienced the same thing.
You all really don't have to explain about the repair business, be it automotive, air condition, or any other business that uses book time and estimates.
We all shop around for things we need done, but a lot of us will never know the skill and quality that went into a job. The finished job is just that. Most cases the repair is completed, but there are many nightmares about things that were supposed to be fixed and were not.
I did not say that you cheated.
What would you have charged to install a wiper motor in my truck, a 92 F-150?
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