Subsoiler adventure

[rambler]

Typically a 3pt has the top link vertically straight up from the bottom links. For some reason Fred tipped the top link connector out forward a lot.

That will do some interesting things on rotating the point as you raise & lower the thing.

I'm working it out in my head as to what.... But the point at the bottom will follow an arc, with that configuration, as you raise & lower it.

That angled flat point at the bottom will help suck the chisel down into the ground, keep it down. Changing the angle of it (by moving the top link) will change how much it wants to pull down, or rise back up.

If you put in a longer bolt on the bottom behind the point, and put a clevis the bolt as well, you can pull a pipe along behind - attach to the clevis. Never had a need to burry anything only 15 inches deep, so never got a 3pt chisel, but looking at yours, always wanted one, might have to look up their order info - I remember where you got yours.

Thanks for the pics, neat. Your tractor has good tires on it, those make up for the lack of front wheel assist, nice square high lugs.

--->Paul

 

[The It]

Had a great deal of fun ripping up a field in prep for a garden. The ETA/Fred Cain subsoiler is very heavy duty and worked fine...The subsoiler did its job beautifully, and I'm glad I bought the heavier duty one...So this is an update on the Happy Ending thread. Drew

I didn't see what happened before they removed the original thread. You seem happy with how it all worked out. I'm glad to see you posting and getting some good community support. All the best.

 

[daugen]

If you put in a longer bolt on the bottom behind the point, and put a clevis the bolt as well, you can pull a pipe along behind - attach to the clevis

I'm not visualizing this too well; do you lay the pipe out in front of the tractor?
Or does someone walk along and kind of feed it in? Wonder if anyone YouTubed this. I have a friend who wants me to try laying some small plastic pipe with this so I really do need to understand this. thanks.

 

[cttractor]

My transport solution - allows you to adjust hitch for full depth subsoiling in the field and then drive back to the shed without ripping up a gouge in the lawn, driveway, and everything else in between:
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Interesting solution! I'll have to try it to see if it can work on my tractor. I don't know whether or not it will rotate forward and clear everything or if there will be an obstruction.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[cttractor]

If you put in a longer bolt on the bottom behind the point, and put a clevis the bolt as well, you can pull a pipe along behind - attach to the clevis. --->Paul

I'm not visualizing this too well... Wonder if anyone YouTubed this. I have a friend who wants me to try laying some small plastic pipe with this so I really do need to understand this. thanks.

Yeah; I need to see this to better understand it also. Do you have a photo or simple drawing that might explain what you mean, Rambler? Thanks!

 

[xtn]

Paul is describing a method of burying pipe by dragging it into the ground behind the unit. As you drive forward, the pipe would be snaking into the ground at the original insertion point. This method should work fine for limited distances. The pipe is being dragged through the ground for the length of your pull.

The other method is feeding the pipe at the unit's location as you drive forward. In this cast you might lay the pipe out in front of you, maybe off to the side a bit, and it enters the ground as you go through a larger diameter feed pipe attached to the back of the unit. This feed pipe would usually start vertically above ground and have a 90 degree bend facing the rear down at chisel level. This would be better for longer distances as the pipe behind you isn't being dragged through the ground its whole length.

 

[daugen]

ok, the guide tube makes sense, not sure I wanted my hands in there....I suppose I could temporarily plastic/wire tie the guide tube in just above ground level. I sure don't want to drill that fat piece of steel, but if I did enough of this, it would be worth it to make an on-off bracket. Am wondering how you get the pipe started.

So, 50 or 100 feet, you drag it from the rear, or feed it from the side, slowly I'm sure. And if longer, it goes out front? I think I'll experiment with some old pipe in a field before I guinea pig my friend's back yard. Thanks for all suggestions here.

 

[cttractor]

XTN, thanks for explaining! I've installed underground cable with my subsoiler before, but not pipe. For the cable, I've attached a piece of 1.5" conduit to the back of the subsoiler (see drawing). The cable is first laid out on the ground along the intended path. At the starting point, enough cable is pre-routed through the conduit, out the bottom, and tied to some strong point near, but beyond the ground entry point. That can be a building, a stake, or a heavy piece of a equipment (another tractor, a weight box, a box blade, etc.) You just don't want the starting end of the cable to be dragged along with you.

To start, you drop the subsoiler into the ground and it starts to dig while paying out the cable behind it. The cable goes in the top of the conduit which it facing forward and slightly to the side the cable is on. It helps if there's a person walking along beside the tractor and feeding/guiding the cable into the conduit. Within a couple of feet of lateral movement, the cable should be at the intended depth (10 - 15 inches) and you're installing it as you move along.

The beauty of this approach is that the cable is automatically installed and there's almost no backfilling to do because the soil falls back onto the cable and even the sod falls back on top. Just drive over the trench after you've laid the cable and you're done. And unless you hit an obstruction, (e.g. a big rock), you can lay 300 feet of able in 5 - 10 minutes -- it's fast! Drive over the trench once and the cable's is buried. It works great!

I don't know if you can use this method to bury pipe. But if the conduit or guide is big enough and the pipe you're laying is flexible enough (e.g. 3/4 - 1" PVC pipe), it just might work.

I hope this helps at least give you some ideas, Daugen.

 

[Dishpointer]

This is an example of plowing pipe. The machine is this video is a vibratory plow but your subsoiler will work as well. A simple hole and a cable finger (Chinese finger cuff) will hold your pipe as it gets pulled through the hole.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbmy2xmdxI]Ditch Witch 410 Pipe Pull - YouTube[/ame]

 

[The It]

Daugen:

Thanks for the pm about how the issue was resolved amicably without any remuneration asked for or given. It's too bad they removed the original thread immediately, because Ted's response deserved to have sufficient airtime to demonstrate to the many community members who read the thread that you were happy with it.

Happy plowing!