5.56 ammo

   / 5.56 ammo #11  
oops.. i was leading with the 308 stuff.. that's the stuff where the 308 chamber shoots both.. and should have been ditto on what you said on the 5.56 .
 
   / 5.56 ammo #13  
Just a thought? Did anyone review my post? It explains the issue in regards to the ammo issue. When the original M-16 was issued to the military, - BTW, Colt got the design from Stoner - , the barrel had a 14 in 1 twist. Now the military M-16's have a 1 in 7 twist. This resulted is longer ranges, and one reason was that the result would be more wounded and reduced kill ratios. This will tie up the enemy's resources to attend the wounded, at least that was the military planner's reasoning. With a 14 in 1 twist, the exit wound would be the size of an orange and more internal injuries were more prevalent due to the slower ballistics - fps and the tumbling effect. Both the VC and NVA used to have a saying: "Beware the soldier with the black gun" - this was with the 14 in 1 twist. One other important piece of info: when the M-16 was first issued to the troops, ball ammo was issued. As a result, there were many jams. Also there was no specific cleaning and maintenance procedures, and many troops were under the impression that you could rely on the weapon without daily cleaning. The truth is the M-16 was unreliable if you dropped it in muck. Unlike the M-16, the enemy could drop his AK in muck, dirt, and leech infested water, and the chances were very good that it would function more reliably. Also in the beginning, there was no 3 round burst. This was implemented at a later date, because the fresh troops would get excited and expend their full magazine. Thanks for listening.

The faster twist rate is to stabilize heavier bullets. 1 in 7 will stabilize the 77 grain bullets. 1 in 9 or 1 in 12 will not.. However 1 in 7 will have problems with 40 grain loads in that they will spin too fast and come apart mid air at times. The heavier bullets have a higher ballistic coefficient and and thus are somewhat longer ranged than the standard 55 grain load. They buck the wind better, and deliver a little more downrange energy. The ball powder used in the original loads gave some problems, and as you noted the lack of proper training and the erroneous info of "the rifle is self cleaning", the lack of a chromed chamber in the initial run of weapons, the lack of a bolt forward assist in early models, all contributed to problems with stoppages. The Chromed chamber and proper training on weapon maint. helped more than anything. The Japanese had chromed chambers in their Arisaka's back in WW2. Any weapon used in a jungle environment will benefit from a chromed chamber. But those early problems are long in the past.

James K0UA
 
   / 5.56 ammo
  • Thread Starter
#15  

Yeah, thanks. I had read a few articles on .223 and 5.56. Mine is the 5.56 so I should be able to shoot both.
It's just that some sites listed 5.56 and some list it as 5.56 x 45mm and I wasn't sure if there was a difference.
Thanks for the replies. I can't wait to see the finished product!
 
   / 5.56 ammo #18  
Where are you getting your ammo, I haven't bought any in a while.
 
   / 5.56 ammo #19  
When the original M-16 was issued to the military, - BTW, Colt got the design from Stoner - , the barrel had a 14 in 1 twist.
The vast majority of older military M16A1's are 1:12 twist. This was compatible (perhaps somewhat marginally) with the M193 55gr ball ammo in use at the time.

Now the military M-16's have a 1 in 7 twist.
M16A2's through current M16A4's have 1:7 twist, as do derivatives such as the M4 and SPR.

This resulted is longer ranges,
The twist rate does not markedly increase ballistic range. The increased twist rate came about because of the introduction of the standardized NATO-spec M855 62gr cartridge (using the SS109 "penetrator" projectile with a hardened steel core) and the correlated development of the M249 SAW (aka FN Mini-Mi). Once the M249 SAW was introduced into the field, ammunition standardization meant that all 5.56mm weapons would use the same ammo. The M855 has better penetration of light armor at longer ranges than the M193 it replaced. The now-unused M193 cartridge, however, has better penetration at shorter ranges due to the higher muzzle velocity.

and one reason was that the result would be more wounded and reduced kill ratios. This will tie up the enemy's resources to attend the wounded, at least that was the military planner's reasoning.
This was and is not a factor in caliber nor twist selection.

With a 14 in 1 twist, the exit wound would be the size of an orange and more internal injuries were more prevalent due to the slower ballistics - fps and the tumbling effect.
The primary wounding mechanism of high velocity 5.56mm projectiles is yaw, dislocation/fragmentation at the cannelure (the ridged circumferential ring where the projectile is seated to the case), and a resultant large wound cavity due to multiple fragments and hydrostatic pressure. In general, with 5.56mm if there is in fact an exit wound it is indicative of poor projectile performance.

Both the VC and NVA used to have a saying: "Beware the soldier with the black gun" - this was with the 14 in 1 twist.
Gun store counter stories.

One other important piece of info: when the M-16 was first issued to the troops, ball ammo was issued.
You mean "ball powder". All military cartridges use ball (FMJ) projectiles, excluding some special types (specifically OTM) that are used strictly for long range sniping applications. Look at the side of a 840 round 5.56mm ammo can: "AMMUNITION, BALL, 5.56mm M855". Gunpowder is available in ball and stick geometry, and it was the ball gunpowder that cause initial M16 teething problems.

As a result, there were many jams. Also there was no specific cleaning and maintenance procedures, and many troops were under the impression that you could rely on the weapon without daily cleaning. The truth is the M-16 was unreliable if you dropped it in muck. Unlike the M-16, the enemy could drop his AK in muck, dirt, and leech infested water, and the chances were very good that it would function more reliably.
Despite all this, the basic AR15/M16 design has not changed in 50 years, and the majority of the world's special operations forces use a derivative.

Also in the beginning, there was no 3 round burst. This was implemented at a later date, because the fresh troops would get excited and expend their full magazine. Thanks for listening.
The issue is not expending the entire magazine, it is maintaining accuracy for the duration. Full auto is used for suppressive fire, and generally not aimed fire such as with semi-auto and 3 round burst.
 

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