How self sufficient are you ? Honestly ?

[Grumpy Old Man]

you either did not read, did not understand, or are deliberately substituting different info.

if you'd care to re-read my post on the subject , I'd continue discussing it with you.

I used 1 very important word you missed or chose to mis-represent.

soundguy

I did not quote you nor am I sending you a private email ,I posted a statement and it was not directed to you personally ,Take a chill pill !

 

[Soundguy]

I did not quote you nor am I sending you a private email ,I posted a statement and it was not directed to you personally ,Take a chill pill !

don't backtrack.

we all know your post 567 was in reply to my 566 talking about the pump rebuild.

manu up a lil.... or don't. I care less either way..

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

don't backtrack.

we all know your post 567 was in reply to my 566 talking about the pump rebuild.

manu up a lil.... or don't. I care less either way..

sounds like you want to argue with someone this morning about nothing , not interested !

 

[aczlan]

I did not quote you nor am I sending you a private email ,I posted a statement and it was not directed to you personally ,Take a chill pill !

Who were you responding to then? He was the only person to post between your post about a non-rebuildable fuel pump. IMO, you did miss the important part of hist post which was IF done correctly.
Rebuilding a airplane fuel pump with a piece of innertube in a non-emergency situation does not fit into any description I have seen of "IF done correctly"

Also, Soundguy didn't ask you to send him a private email.

Aaron Z

 

[Rob-D]

Well , I think you have to be a prepper to be able to get to self sufficiency ,one has to follow the other but to what extent ? Now I myself have a 5-6 year plan to become completely self sufficient And I plan on doing 99% of the physical labor myself :dance1: and thats not easy ,I will drill my own well ,build my own windmill and power my shop with a water wheel , you have to devise ways to lift heavy beams ,move heavy equipment , drag logs ,move heavy building materials and do everything in such a manner as to not kill yourself in the process , These are things that someone with small children would have a hard time with and if you had teenagers you better live close to town or they will drive you nuts !:laughing: all these things can be done but you have to want to live that life style or your just kidding yourself that it won't be very difficult at times ! I truly believe this all can be accomplished as others have done it way before I and they are good at it , I have no desire to eat in restaurants anymore , I like knowing where my food comes from and who touched it ! I was raised by my father to be able to build anything I have not hired 1 person for any type of work be it electrical/plumbing /drywall/framing /concrete /tree work/auto mechanics /small engine repair /sewing /gardening /or raising my animals for more than 40 years I have absolutely no interest in professional sports ever and think that they are a total waste of time and money and people would better serve themselves learning another trade rather than waste time and money cheering for a team on tv and if you like sports to each his own , But I have been to disaster areas right after the storm passed and I have seen with my own eyes how fast peoples priorities change and how things go from bad to worse in a heartbeat ,if they had only prepared even a little they would have had a much easier time rebuilding but to have the mindset that someone is rushing to come save you would put you in the same bucket as the people in New Jersey waiting for fema to actually do something , When hurricane Andrew hit we set up in homestead and the national guard showed up and built a 10 tall fence around our area ,they brought in truckloads of food and water and fed us 5,000 calories a day meanwhile the armed guards held all the thirsty and hungry survivors outside the gate with m-16's . the government does come in and take control but they call the shots and feeding you is last on the list Just ask the people from Katrina ! so do your best to prepare for the worst and maybe we can all make it in the end !:drink: So how far are you willing to go to provide and protect your family and property before /during /and after a natural disaster /or man made ?

Grumpy,
We actually agree on some things. It take several years to really prepare and to be self sufficient to a good degree. When you do all the work yourself you have the added benefit of the critical know how gained to repair and replenish.

How far people will be willing to go, as you put it, to protect their "own" has to be something groups should talk about at length. What I'm hoping is that those who are the best prepared and making it, to one degree or another, will help those less fortunate and the society as a whole will begin to improve its conditions.
The truth is none of us knows what will actually happen but I do believe man at his core is honorable. Will there be those who aren't? Of course I'm not living in a bubble but I do know how those in my area act when things get bad as we have had glimpses of that.
I would say those who think they will make it alone won't do well in the long run or as Thomas Merton put it, "No man is an island."

 

[Jesse masterson]

Just a observation , but there seems to be a lot of arguing over nothing. And it's usualy the same few involved, everybody relax a little. The odds are everyone would be more civil if you were face to face .

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Who were you responding to then? He was the only person to post between your post about a non-rebuildable fuel pump. IMO, you did miss the important part of hist post which was IF done correctly.
Rebuilding a airplane fuel pump with a piece of innertube in a non-emergency situation does not fit into any description I have seen of "IF done correctly"

Also, Soundguy didn't ask you to send him a private email.

Aaron Z

There are parts of aircraft specifically made with no serviceable parts for a reason ,safety ! which is why a person with no common sense should not attempt to rebuild it ! You both are reading a statement I posted like it was directed to you personally like a "private message" and I have no control over where it ends up in the skew of other posts ! Not gonna debate a harmless post because he "thinks" it is a response to his post , especially when it has NOTHING to due with the thread subject matter . Move on !

 

[aczlan]

There are parts of aircraft specifically made with no serviceable parts for a reason ,safety ! which is why a person with no common sense should not attempt to rebuild it !

And if someone can rebuild it in a safe manner using parts that are rated for the job?

You both are reading a statement I posted like it was directed to you personally like a "private message" and I have no control over where it ends up in the skew of other posts

Posts are listed in order of the tiem at which someone hit the "Post" button. As such, I was reading it for what it appeared to be (a response to Soundguy's post) which you are now claiming that it was not... See below for more

Not gonna debate a harmless post because he "thinks" it is a response to his post

So you posted:

I have met many people with more letters after their name that had NO common sense and had no idea how to turn a screw driver to tighten a screw. We used to have a saying at the airport "Just because you have a pilot's license does not mean your intelligent ! " I have seen 4 pilot's die because they had no common sense when they were flying and relied on the gauges rather than the situation they were in . 1 tried to rebuild a NON-REBUILDABLE rivited together fuel pump to save $300.00 and killed himself and the co pilot a half mile from the end of the runway on take off ! another flew into a storm at the end of the runway and decreased his speed and when they punched thru the storm he was low and slow the plane stalled and they drove it straight to the ground 300 ft trying to recover 200 feet from the end of the runway ! 2 died 1 severely burnt and lost both legs , if either of these very experienced pilots had used a little common sense they would still be alive today they were in a hurry to land and make it to HAPPY HOUR at the local pub !. There are many book smart people who have no hands on knowledge of how things really work and these are usually the people who are judgemental of others , I know many very successful business men who have never been to any college !

Then ~30 mins later you just happened to post:

you can't pull over to the side of the road when your at 5,000 feet ,and the pump manufacture did not sell the rubber diaphrams so they used a tire tube and it ran right up till they crashed into a house and died ! sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and buy new !

But you want us to believe that your second post had NOTHING to with Soundguy's post between the two saying:

i'd almost set that one aside.
if a man built it.. it can be rebuilt. IF done correctly...
I can't tell you how many 'non rebuildable', 'no user serviceable parts inside' / 'hermetrically sealed ' assy's I've remanned.
Mind you none of them are parts of things that 'fly', but many were parts that scoot you downt he blacktop at high speed.

If you say so.

Aaron Z

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

And if someone can rebuild it in a safe manner using parts that are rated for the job?

Posts are listed in order of the tiem at which someone hit the "Post" button. As such, I was reading it for what it appeared to be (a response to Soundguy's post) which you are now claiming that it was not... See below for more

So you posted:

Then ~30 mins later you just happened to post:

But you want us to believe that your second post had NOTHING to with Soundguy's post between the two saying:

If you say so.

Aaron Z

Don't you have anything better to do with your time than analyze anonymous open forum posts for sequence and content ?

 

[Rob-D]

OK, guys it's been fun, Perhaps we've reached a stalemate so I'll bow out.
Thanks for listening, your comments and observations.