Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points.

   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #31  
We recently refinanced too. Except we were/are upside down. We were sble to take our mortgage from 5.875% to 4.125%.

We refinanced about two and a half years ago; going from a 2005 30 year mortgage at 5.75% to a 15 year mortgage at 4.125%. Now that 4.125% sure isn't the best interest rate around, at least right now, but our mortgage was with Wells Fargo and they simply mailed a big thick package for us to sign and have notarized and call FedEx to come get it and send it back to Wells Fargo; no cost, points, fees, etc. at all to us.
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #32  
I am with wells also, you dont have to buy points if you dont want to, but sometimes it makes financial sense to sometimes it doesnt, they may mention it and they may not, they did as i asked about it and never were they forced down my troat. Also there has to be a loan cost?? Maybe they wrapped it back into your loan as i did, but those folks dont work for free, so they have to charge something.
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #33  
I am with wells also, you dont have to buy points if you dont want to, but sometimes it makes financial sense to sometimes it doesnt, they may mention it and they may not, they did as i asked about it and never were they forced down my troat. Also there has to be a loan cost?? Maybe they wrapped it back into your loan as i did, but those folks dont work for free, so they have to charge something.

Nope, there most definitely was not a loan cost to me at all, except I did pay a notary that was close instead of driving farther to one that doesn't cost me anything.:D. No points, no fees, and I knew exactly what was owed on the original mortgage. So they paid off the original mortgage and created an entirely new one for exactly what was owed on the original.

Several years ago, I had financed a new double wide mobile home at a high interest rate. Later, some company in Florida that I'd never heard of sent me paperwork offering to refinance with them at a lower rate. They even sent one of those disposable cameras for me to send pictures of the place. So I contacted the company I had originally financed with and they offered to meet the lower rate, but they just sent paperwork for me to sign to "amend" the original contract to a lower interest rate. I had thought that would be what Wells Fargo would do, but nope, they paid off the original mortgage (to themselves, of course) and created an entirely new mortgage.

So, nope, they don't have to charge something, but maybe they feared losing my business to someone else. And incidentally, I did not contact Wells Fargo about a refinance; they contacted me.
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #34  
maybe you got lucky i sure have had to pay each time i refinanced i wont call you a liar but i dont see how a company can do all the paper work for free in this case, maybe its not a typical refi as you went to a lower length, but i still ahve no idea how they can do hours of paperwork for free and then send it to underwriting all to lower the amt of money they make on you in the long run??? Just dosent make sense to me? My brother in law works for wells and there was no way that they could of cut thier fees any cheaper for me. I shopped around and some places would not do refis and others had a larger cost than Wells did so i went back with them.
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #35  
maybe its not a typical refi as you went to a lower length

When they first contacted me they quoted 4.875% for a refinance at 30 years. That was to refinance a 30 year mortgage with 292 payments left. They had first sent me an e-mail about a refinance program for existing customers with no closing costs at all. At the time (August, 2010) my credit union website showed 4.25% for 30 years and 3.85% for 15 years, but there would have been appraisal fees, closing costs, etc. So I called Wells Fargo (and yes, I still have the phone number and name of the gentleman I talked to) and while he was taking the information on the phone for a new mortgage application, I was doing a little number crunching and decided on their 15 year mortgage at 4.125%. Slightly bigger payments, but a huge savings over the life of the loan. He said they'd have to run a new credit check and all that stuff and get back to me in a couple of weeks. They called it their "Wells Fargo Three-Step Refinance SYSTEM program, a no closing cost, Close at Home refinance that could reduce your monthly mortgage payment or shorten the term of your existing mortgage." The three steps: (1) Call and Consult or stop by your local branch, (2) Receive and Review the Close at Home documents they'd send after determining your eligibility, and (3) Sign and Send Sign the documents, get them notarized and send them back.

Unusual? Sure was to me, and I was skeptical about it at first. It did take longer than expected, partially due to the fact that they sent this huge pile of documents. I signed them, got them notarized, and sent them back, and then they realized they'd left my wife's name off a document that needed her name. Now instead of just sending a new corrected copy of that one document, they sent an entirely new complete package.:laughing: So the process and my first phone call was August 18, and the new mortgage actually went into effect on October 1.
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points.
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#36  
Only once did I have a no cost refi...

I was with American Savings at 13.75 fixed and they lowered it to 10% at zero cost...

Believe it or not... 13.75% was considered a very good rate back in the early 80's!

The loan I just paid off with the refi was with Provident Funding... it was super easy back in 2004 and a very good rate which why I couldn't believe how difficult they were when I took them up on THEIR refi offer to me...

After the endless problems it was more a point of principal to dump them and the credit union did come through as promised... it just took forever.

There must have been a seismic shift between January and now... because everyone I had spoken with about a refi including Provident now was eager to do my refi...

My only question was why couldn't they have been this eager 10 weeks ago!!!

Right or wrong... I don't see any more refinances in my future... de-leveraging and wiping out debt is my plan if for no other reason than not to have to subject myself to the games played...
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points. #37  
<SNIP> ...Right or wrong... I don't see any more refinances in my future... de-leveraging and wiping out debt is my plan if for no other reason than not to have to subject myself to the games played...

I hear that and agree wholeheartedly. I recently sold a family property that we had owned for nearly 100+ years in less than 90 days, because I had figured it was costing me +/- $90K/yr in maintenance costs/taxes/insurance, etc. The house sold for about $200K less than what I had it on the market for, and I cleared over a million, 200K.
Seems like a lot, and it is, but in 2007 I probably could have sold it for closer to $4-5 million. East coast, one street off waterfront in CT.
When I just paid my taxes, and I'm glad to say I completed the sale in 2012, it was, after calculating cost basis, about $145K in fed/state, etc.
Now here's the interesting part, my accountant told me that the $200K re-fi on my VT home, (primary residence), which was going on during the sale of the above mentioned house, could have taken into account the CT property in the decision to re-fi my VT home, because the bank owns banks in BOTH states. I tried to keep my personal brokerage account and CT property OUT of any of the paperwork with the 'local' bank, but they kept demanding more and more paperwork over the course of the process. No Points, no appraisal fee, $50K more loan for the same rate I had for the prior loan I was rolling over, BUT they attached a fee of $75/yr for admin costs, which they failed to mention until closing papers were put in front of us.:pullinghair:
Did I mention I hate banks?! All banks- they're the ones who put us where we are today, and they'll be the ones to put us back to where we were when the mess hit the fan.
From what I've seen the bank people are merely order takers to the underwriters who are never seen.
The system is still badly broken and it's obviously also totally FIXED too.
Aaarggg, don't get me started.:censored::irked:
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points.
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#38  
A few times I had a Freudian slip and referred the underwriter as the undertaker...
 
   / Home refinace attempt going badly... 15 year 2.75% no points.
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#40  
My laugh for the day... thanks!
 

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