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#42  
Can you draw out a pencil drawing of the original wiring, take a picture of it, and post it?

Or draw a simple diagram of it in Paint on your PC?

It would help a lot.

The first configuration the switch is powered but toggle doesn't turn flood lights on or off, only LED light on is SETUP.
The second configuration does NOT work (the switch is not powered) no LED lights on.

Switch Wiring
-------- --------
Black (Line) -> Black (Line)
White (Neutral) -> White (Neutral)
Red (Load) -> Capped
Copper (Ground) -> Copper (Ground)

Black (Line) -> Black (Line)
White (Neutral) -> Capped
Red (Load) -> White (Neutral)
Copper (Ground) -> Copper (Ground)
 
   / X10 Upgrade #43  
If i follow correctly, you want remote control of the lights in the outbuilding like the (hopefully) attached picture. With this configuration, the switch in the main building has it's load capped and is set as the controller for the switch in the outbuilding so when you flip the switch in the main building it activates the switch in the outbuilding. Once they are wired you have to pair the switches to one another. There should be a procedure to set them as controller/responder without a hub. If the configuration below is correct, the outbuilding should switch the lights on/off even before it is paired to the main house switch. That will confirm that side of your wiring is working as intended before trying to make them work with each other remotely.

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   / X10 Upgrade #44  
The first configuration the switch is powered but toggle doesn't turn flood lights on or off, only LED light on is SETUP.
The second configuration does NOT work (the switch is not powered) no LED lights on.

Switch Wiring
-------- --------
Black (Line) -> Black (Line)
White (Neutral) -> White (Neutral)
Red (Load) -> Capped
Copper (Ground) -> Copper (Ground)

Black (Line) -> Black (Line)
White (Neutral) -> Capped
Red (Load) -> White (Neutral)
Copper (Ground) -> Copper (Ground)

According to the product documentation, neither one of those is correct.

The red has to feed the light. That's the only way its gonna work.

Perhaps someone ran the feed to the light fixture, then brought down the black wire to be switched in the box. If that's the case, they should have marked the end of the white with a black stripe.

You need to find where the feed is coming from the house before you do anything else.

If you can't positively identify where the hot and neutral coming from the house are, you need to call an electrician.
 
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If i follow correctly, you want remote control of the lights in the outbuilding like the (hopefully) attached picture. With this configuration, the switch in the main building has it's load capped and is set as the controller for the switch in the outbuilding so when you flip the switch in the main building it activates the switch in the outbuilding. Once they are wired you have to pair the switches to one another. There should be a procedure to set them as controller/responder without a hub. If the configuration below is correct, the outbuilding should switch the lights on/off even before it is paired to the main house switch. That will confirm that side of your wiring is working as intended before trying to make them work with each other remotely.

View attachment 570467

Except that diagram doesn't show any second wire coming from the lamp. There has to be two wires at the lamp.
 
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#46  
If i follow correctly, you want remote control of the lights in the outbuilding like the (hopefully) attached picture. With this configuration, the switch in the main building has it's load capped and is set as the controller for the switch in the outbuilding so when you flip the switch in the main building it activates the switch in the outbuilding. Once they are wired you have to pair the switches to one another. There should be a procedure to set them as controller/responder without a hub. If the configuration below is correct, the outbuilding should switch the lights on/off even before it is paired to the main house switch. That will confirm that side of your wiring is working as intended before trying to make them work with each other remotely.

View attachment 570467

Yes that is my mission: The ability to turn on/off 4 shed flood lights from the house (main building) AND from the shed (outbuilding).

Agree that Phase 1 of this project is to install the shed switch. Thanks for the diagram. I think the old X10 wiring is inadequate for the new switches but hopefully with the help of the diagrams from you and MossRoad, my DIY electrical skills will solve that issue? :scratchchin:
 
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#47  

That diagram is correct. :thumbsup: Phase 1 is complete. The shed switch is installed and working properly. Had to add a white neutral wire from a light switches box to the Insteon box. Fortunately only 18 inches.

switch -> shed circuits
Black -> Black Line
White -> White Neutral
Red -> Black Load
Copper -> Copper Ground

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#49  
If i follow correctly, you want remote control of the lights in the outbuilding like the (hopefully) attached picture. With this configuration, the switch in the main building has it's load capped and is set as the controller for the switch in the outbuilding so when you flip the switch in the main building it activates the switch in the outbuilding. Once they are wired you have to pair the switches to one another. There should be a procedure to set them as controller/responder without a hub. If the configuration below is correct, the outbuilding should switch the lights on/off even before it is paired to the main house switch. That will confirm that side of your wiring is working as intended before trying to make them work with each other remotely.

View attachment 570467

Phase 2: Install controller switch in the house.

Will use your "main building" configuration.

switch -> house circuits
Black -> Black Line
White -> White Neutral
Red capped -> N/A
Copper -> Copper Ground
 

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