Massey Ferguson GC1723EB 50 hour maintenance

[WranglerX]

On the contrary. They’re all very different machines, manufactured by very different companies. Personally, I wouldn’t use Mahindra-spec fluid in my Massey, as the components are manufactured by different companies, and the specs for the fluids are different, if I remember correctly. Using the wrong-spec fluids WILL void the warranty, which could be an insanely expensive decision later on.

Massey GC-Series is designed and manufactured by Iseki in Japan. Massey designs the visuals.
Mahindra is an Indian company who sources from other companies, similar to New Holland and John Deere.
Yanmar designs and manufactures their own tractors in Japan, like Iseki and Kubota. Yanmar supplies engines for other brands, such as Deere and Mahindra.

I did a ton of research across brands before deciding on the Massey. It offered the best bang for the buck, along with AGCO’s very attractive financing offers. John Deere was over-priced for what you really got, and Kubota was lacking in a few areas, as well as being too pricy. Mahindra offered an attractive package for the money, but stories of warranty claim issues was the big factor that pushed me away. Yanmar was a good package, but not really any better than the Massey, and it was a little too much money for an aging design with less features than the Massey.

How come mine says assembled in Indonesia?..

Dale

 

[RedGeminiPA]

How come mine says assembled in Indonesia?..

Dale

Mine does, too. Iseki is a Japanese company with manufacturing in different countries. I should’ve worded that “Iseki OF Japan.” Iseki has been partnered with MF for over 25 years. They produce the GC tractors for MF, and MF produces larger tractors that are sold by Iseki in other global markets. Still, like Kubota and Yanmar, the Iseki-built GC is developed and built by one company, with components designed and engineered to work together for the best reliability and compatibility.

 

[Kevin37318]

Mine does, too. Iseki is a Japanese company with manufacturing in different countries. I should’ve worded that “Iseki OF Japan.” Iseki has been partnered with MF for over 25 years. They produce the GC tractors for MF, and MF produces larger tractors that are sold by Iseki in other global markets. Still, like Kubota and Yanmar, the Iseki-built GC is developed and built by one company, with components designed and engineered to work together for the best reliability and compatibility.

Great info to know. Many thanks.
Still having a hard time finding Permatran 821XL Fluid.
One mechanic suggested to use Valvoline Mineral R&O Hydraulic oil. ?
Honestly, Im stressed, confused, and lost on this Fluid change. I've worked on Cummings, Detroit, Ford, GMC, along with MG Midget.
Why is it so Frig'n difficult to find a MFG recommended fluid / oil??

 

[cglaser104]

Great info to know. Many thanks.
Still having a hard time finding Permatran 821XL Fluid.
One mechanic suggested to use Valvoline Mineral R&O Hydraulic oil. ?
Honestly, Im stressed, confused, and lost on this Fluid change. I've worked on Cummings, Detroit, Ford, GMC, along with MG Midget.
Why is it so Frig'n difficult to find a MFG recommended fluid / oil??
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841824M1 AGCO
Permatran
821XL T&H Oil SAE 10W-30 1 qt (0.946L) 12 34-35
841867M1 AGCO
Permatran
821XL T&H Oil SAE 10W-30 1 gal (3.78L) 4 34-35
841743M1 AGCO
Permatran
821XL T&H Oil SAE 10W-30 2.5 gal (9.46L) 2 34-35
841813M1 AGCO
Permatran
821XL T&H Oil SAE 10W-30 5 gal (18.9L) 1 34-35

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[DMW]

Still having a hard time finding Permatran 821XL Fluid.
Why is it so Frig'n difficult to find a MFG recommended fluid / oil??
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If you have a Kubota dealer nearby, you can use SuperUDT2. You need 3 US gallon for the hydro, 1 US gallon for the front axle. This is the standard fluid in every Kubota BX out there. It will work perfectly fine in your Massey.
Massey has been trailing other manufacturers in the quality of it house brand oils.

Do not use mineral oil hydraulic fluid. It will be a very expensive lesson.

 

[ray66v]

Still having a hard time finding Permatran 821XL Fluid.

If you have a Case or Kubota, or (other manufacturer), dealer in your area, they will all have fluid. As long as it meets the spec's, (it will have Permatran 821XL listed on the label), It will be fine.

All the major brands are premium products, and will be good choices.

If it is listed as an equivalent fluid, by law, they CANNOT void your warranty over it's use. It never happens anyway. If you have a failure under warranty, it's going to be a major failure, (think hard parts breaking). And, those never happen as a one off. Unless you are the first one, they will already know about the defect when it happens. There is no debate. They could not afford the bad publicity they would get on the internet now, if they tried. It would cost they many times more than to just take care of it.

You can also order the Amsoil, synthetic transmission fluid, from any Amsoil dealer. They guarantee in writing, no warranty issues. Lots of us are using the Amsoil transmission oil in their GC's. It's been in mine for like 12 years.

 

[Kevin37318]

If you have a Case or Kubota, or (other manufacturer), dealer in your area, they will all have fluid. As long as it meets the spec's, (it will have Permatran 821XL listed on the label), It will be fine.

All the major brands are premium products, and will be good choices.

If it is listed as an equivalent fluid, by law, they CANNOT void your warranty over it's use. It never happens anyway. If you have a failure under warranty, it's going to be a major failure, (think hard parts breaking). And, those never happen as a one off. Unless you are the first one, they will already know about the defect when it happens. There is no debate. They could not afford the bad publicity they would get on the internet now, if they tried. It would cost they many times more than to just take care of it.

You can also order the Amsoil, synthetic transmission fluid, from any Amsoil dealer. They guarantee in writing, no warranty issues. Lots of us are using the Amsoil transmission oil in their GC's. It's been in mine for like 12 years.

Drove over 110 miles today. The only Massey Dealer stocking Permatran 821XL Fluid. OUCH Cost over $120 for 5 gallons which was a bargin compard to Amsoil for $233 (AMSOIL Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-3)

 

[Kevin37318]

If you have a Case or Kubota, or (other manufacturer), dealer in your area, they will all have fluid. As long as it meets the spec's, (it will have Permatran 821XL listed on the label), It will be fine.

All the major brands are premium products, and will be good choices.

If it is listed as an equivalent fluid, by law, they CANNOT void your warranty over it's use. It never happens anyway. If you have a failure under warranty, it's going to be a major failure, (think hard parts breaking). And, those never happen as a one off. Unless you are the first one, they will already know about the defect when it happens. There is no debate. They could not afford the bad publicity they would get on the internet now, if they tried. It would cost they many times more than to just take care of it.

You can also order the Amsoil, synthetic transmission fluid, from any Amsoil dealer. They guarantee in writing, no warranty issues. Lots of us are using the Amsoil transmission oil in their GC's. It's been in mine for like 12 years.

Drove over 110 miles today. The only Massey Dealer stocking Permatran 821XL Fluid. OUCH Cost over $120 for 5 gallons which was a bargin compard to Amsoil for $233 (AMSOIL Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-3)

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[ray66v]

110 miles?? Why would you do that? Will no one ship to your address?

Yes, the Amsoil is expensive. It was once the only option though, if you wanted a synthetic product. Now, almost twenty years later, it's nice to see the rest are starting to catch up.

The proper pronunciation is, "Massie", not "Macey".

 

[irvingj]

Just listened to that -- "Macey"??? Can't say I've ever heard it pronounced that way before... :confused3: