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100 yards and under ( 91.44 meters for you :D ) I'll take my good old singe shot Thompson Contender over anything else for deer and pigs. Never need another shot with it, one is good.
I can think of a few reasons I would disagree :cool:
Only time I’ve not been in a helicopter and had to reload to keep shooting pigs…big boar took three to the head/neck.
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I can think of a few reasons I would disagree :cool:
Only time I’ve not been in a helicopter and had to reload to keep shooting pigs…big boar took three to the head/neck.
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Ok, you have a point there, I was talking about still hunting for a single animal however. I used to run a big ranch down in Texas and part of my job was "trying" to control the pig population, a 30 round mag was good for that.. but that's a different subject!
 
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Ok, you have a point there, I was talking about still hunting for a single animal however. I used to run a big ranch down in Texas and part of my job was "trying" to control the pig population, a 30 round mag was good for that.. but that's a different subject!
That was my main reason for mentioning the 300 ham'r. I mentioned deer just because it would still be good for them as well.
 
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So my .223 load for deer right now is 77grn custom comps at 2650 fps, at 230m (close enough to 250 yards) the velocity is 2079 fps with 739 ft/lbs. We don't shoot deer with .223 past 150m based on our own personal feelings on ethical shots, with that round, in our conditions.

Velocity and round data from their website:
  • Sierra 110gr HP 2600FPS MV, 1651FP ME...applied ballistics using Sierra FBHP Varminter at 230m 1537fps, 607 ft/lbs (Less than my .223)
  • Sierra 125gr SBT 2520FPS MV, 1763FP ME...applied ballistics using Sierra SMK at 230m 1932fps, 1036 ft/lbs (more energy but that is pretty slow to get the match round do do damage)
  • Sierra 135gr HP Varminter 2400FPS MV, 1727FP ME...applied ballistics at 230m 1640fps, 806 ft/lbs (Sierra recommends these bullets be traveling a minimum of 2600-2900 fps for best results and are suitable for speeds up to 3500 fps...basically the bullet is never going fast enough to work as designed)
  • Hornady 150gr SST 2290FPS MV, 1747FP ME...applied ballistics at 230m 1761fps, 1033 ft/lbs (Hornady recommends a minimum velocity of 1800 fps for expansion)
Sorry but I just have a lot of scar tissue from lost animals with 300 BO which got me into doing a lot more homework on terminal ballistics and bullet design. What I learned is 300 BO was only good at being quite, nothing else. By the time there were bullets designed to perform with it, it was far too late. I see that here, they are launching bullets but not really doing any good work putting the right bullet with it, yes I see they are playing with twist rates etc. I'm just not seeing it, I have to agree with Paul and say maybe it fills a role...but that role is very close ranges at best and there are may others out there probably doing a much better job with the proper projectiles for the velocity.
Appears you missed some,

WHICH LOADS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR BEST TERMINAL PERFORMANCE FOR HUNTING?
  • For big hogs, black bear, mule deer or any tougher game: Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR, Speer 135gr HAM’R Bonded, Hornady 135gr FTX or any of the 150gr loads
  • For whitetail deer or soft skinned game: Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR or Hornady 135gr FTX
  • For varmint/predator hunting: Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 110gr SP, Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 125gr TNT or Sierra 125gr SBT PH
 
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Appears you missed some,

WHICH LOADS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR BEST TERMINAL PERFORMANCE FOR HUNTING?
  • For big hogs, black bear, mule deer or any tougher game: Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR, Speer 135gr HAM’R Bonded, Hornady 135gr FTX or any of the 150gr loads
  • For whitetail deer or soft skinned game: Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR or Hornady 135gr FTX
  • For varmint/predator hunting: Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 110gr SP, Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 125gr TNT or Sierra 125gr SBT PH
Knock yourself out, I just did the first section they offered in their comparison to 300BO.
 
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Appears you missed some,

WHICH LOADS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR BEST TERMINAL PERFORMANCE FOR HUNTING?
  • For big hogs, black bear, mule deer or any tougher game: Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR, Speer 135gr HAM’R Bonded, Hornady 135gr FTX or any of the 150gr loads
  • For whitetail deer or soft skinned game: Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 130gr HAM’R HOT-COR or Hornady 135gr FTX
  • For varmint/predator hunting: Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 110gr SP, Lehigh 110gr CC, Speer 125gr TNT or Sierra 125gr SBT PH
Man, with the fire you have for this new round I cannot believe you dont have one already!! Me... I'll pass... no need or desire. It does nothing things I have don't already do.
 
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For me personally, the 300Hmr doesn't do anything that 6.5 Grendel doesn't; not saying it doesn't for someone else.

What parent case is 300HMR?

Of the odd AR calibers, I heard or read some advice on them. Ask your self, if it wasnt in an AR, would the round exist? If the answer is no, then it probably is flash in the pan. 450 BM, 6.5 Grendel, 350 Leg, all are answers to a question. 300BO, im still on the fence about. Part of me things its stupid, another part of me wants one. 25-45; 277 Wolv; 458 Socom; 50 Beowulf; 30AR; some others, probably on the scrap bin. Anyone heard of 24 Nosler? I Google it, after seeing brass on clearance, and i had never evem heard of it, and they where closing out brass on discount...
 
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Yup. There's 6.5 Gdl and .350 Legend, both proven hog medicine, and the latter able to use .223/5.56 mags with the right follower. (capacity!) Gee, if only we could use the magical .308 bullets with their 'high BCs' (what CMs are all about) and leg-wetting MVs. Not legal for deer in states where .350 is but 'more frontal area' is 'oversold' .. but beating .300 BO w/o approaching any other .30s in performance. (wow)
 
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22 Nosler and 224 Valkerie are already about gone. Now, none of that is to say its a bad round, and that if you want to make it work, it won't. Heck, if you want, almost all rounds are good, but might be hard to find ammo and guns. Some of our best rounds (30-06, 270, 308, even 556) are minor tweaks to existing rounds, for various different reasons.
 
 
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