1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower

   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #1  

manetmsa

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Bought a JD430 with the 20 h.p. diesel. This tractor runs great, but I'm having a tough time starting it when it's below 40 degrees. Tried normal start, tried 1/2 throttle, 2 timing the preheater. Any suggestions?
Anyone got experience with the 2 stage snowblower? I can pick one up for $400-500, just wondering if it was worth it.
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #2  
I previously owned a 420 with a single stage blower, worthless. I upgraded to a jd755 with a 2 stage blower. I know the tractors are different but the results of single stage and 2 stage blowers speak for themselves. The 2 stage blower is very effective and efficient in most kind of snows. I found the very wet snow requires a litte slower speed to allow it not to pack in the chute. A 2 stage blower is your best bet, and at $400.00 its not a bad deal. Make sure its complete with all the brackets and the shaft. Those parts get expensive. Also, plan on a set of wheel weights and tire chains, that blower weighs a lot and will take the weight off your rear wheels when its raised. As far as cold starts, fuel additives and warm storage are your best bet.
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #3  
Thanks for the advice, I too have had terrible experience with a single stage. It is a two stage blower. I've got 6 45lb. weights and a bracket that came with the tiller that mounts on the front or back (I could not believe how HD the tiller is!). Reading other unrelated posts has got me looking at block warmers. The local JD dealer wants more than twice as much as anyone else ($107 comes with spacer block). JD recommends one, Yanmar recommends another ($30), Phillips & Temro another. I'll have to take a close look and see which one makes the most sense (excluding the JD dealer)
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #4  
Yep, a block heater is a very good idea. They are so common that they almost seem like standard factory equipment. Tough to get along without one in cold weather.

Here's a couple of ideas, other than going to an alternative like a lower rad hose re-circulating type heater. First is that I often use 2/3 to 3/4 throttle to start in extreme cold. Second, is that you might want to check the glow plugs. The plugs can be checked with an ohm meter, and I believe most service manuals have specs for plug and wiring resistances. Generally, plugs are either good or bad. They don't get weak, but the connections and grounds can become corroded which slows them down.

Another thing might be to clean the battery and ground cable connections. Poor connections will slow down the glow plugs, but also will spin the starter slower. I cleaned my contacts recently, and the pre-time was halved.

Last idea is to go to #1 diesel fuel. I'd check, but I believe that #1 diesel is OK for most engines. #1 diesel has a lower flash point than #2, so it starts easier in cold weather. It also has a much lower cloud point so it doesn't gel as easily, but it also produces somewhat less power than #2 fuel. Well, guess I'm seldom out of ideas, so a hair dryer near the air intake might do something. However, ether starter fluid is NEVER, NEVER, EVER used in diesel engines.
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #5  
I have 4 Kubota tractors all with diesel engines. I use the Stanadyne diesel fuel conditioner and am continually amazed on how quickly the engines start at temperatures 20 F. This is one of the best diesel fuel conditioners on the market. I would recommend you try it. You will be amazed and it improves your injector pump life.
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #6  
<font color=blue>Re: This is one of the best diesel fuel conditioners on the market.</font color=blue>

OK, Jon, why is it one of the best? I use Power Service instead of the Stanadyne just because it's conveniently available and is what a neighbor uses in his big tractors, and it seems to work just fine, but I honestly don't know enough to know whether one is better than the other, and if so why.

Bird
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower
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#7  
The two stage didn't work out, not as advertised.

The blower that you had on the 420. Do you know if it can be used on a 430? I have a 1986 430. I just bought a single stage from a guy (good price) that had a 1985 430 with a loader. His loader frame did not allow the use of the thrower. He told me he never mounted it and it came from a 420. He had hoped to modify it for use, but decided agaist it. We brought it close to his 430 and the thrower frame was the correct width to pin into the front frame holes of the tractor. There was a driveshaft extension too, as the 430 is longer due to the diesel being longer. The extension appeared to correct to connect the short shaft on the thrower to the front PTO. So, I can hook the top thrower bracket pins at the correct height and distance from the PTO. The hydraulics are the same as well, up/down, chute left/right.

My issue is that the bottom two pins for the thrower are not supported. The 'perch' that I think would hold these bottom pins is located 12" from the front of the tractor frame (or roughly 12" from perpendicular with the top bracket pins..

Now I assumed there is a standard JD bracket for extension/connection of the 'perch' under the front of the tractor to the lower thrower bracket pins on the 430, he just didn't have one. Did i assume correctly? Does JD have a bracket or do I have to fabricate one? I hoped they would as there is an extension for the PTO shaft, why not for the bottom pin perch.
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #8  
A bunch of experts on this page.... buy kit BM16360, comes with all the pins, bolts, washers, and the plates you need
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #9  
Well that only works when you have the correct 46". There were a couple years when the 420 was made and the 430 wasn't.. The thrower made for the 420 for these years does not work. You must have a thrower that was made to fit either. Check the serial numbers with a knowledgable JD person to be sure your getting the right one
 
   / 1986 JD 430 Cold Start/Snowblower #10  
I have the same tractor you have. I have a 47 2 stage snowblower for mine and it works great. You will need weights on the back of your tractor as the snow blower weighs about 300 lbs and it makes the rear end light and you lose a lot of traction. I made a weight bracket for my 3 pt hitch and can use up to 6 suitcase weights on it.
As for the starting problem, never use ether on an engine with glow plugs!! It will destroy the glow plugs. Check to be sure your glow plugs are all working. They do burn out over time. You can mix some kerosene in with your diesel and that will help with the starting. You can get a block heater installed. You can even get a twin bed size electric blanket and drape it over the engine to help keep it warm.
 

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