2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs

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   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #61  
Per the flowchart on the Washington State site, as long as your tow vehicle is rated for less than 26k, doesn't carry hazmat materials, isn't a schoolbus and doesn't hold 16+ people you can legally tow it without a CDL.

Aaron Z

I agree. Thanks for your interpretation. What about New York? They seem to be at/near the most restrictive end of the scale.
 
   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #62  
This topic has been beat to death a thousand times on the internet. You can't just highlight part of a sentence and stop at the comma. Read it like this:
all trailers with a manufacturerエs weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more, AND a combined vehicles gross weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more.
Both things need to be true to require a CDL. I'm with aczlan on this one.

EDIT: Take a look here http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv500c.pdf
These are the NY driver's license classes and NY is about as strict as anywhere except CA. Class D is the regular license for passenger cars.
It allows you to drive up to 26K trucks and tow trailers up to 10K behind such trucks. Only when the trailer is over 10K are you limited to 26K total.
Also, if you look at what a Class A is needed for it only kicks in when the trailer is over 10K
 
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   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #63  
This topic has been beat to death a thousand times on the internet. You can't just highlight part of a sentence and stop at the comma. Read it like this:
all trailers with a manufacturerエs weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more, AND a combined vehicles gross weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more.
Both things need to be true to require a CDL. I'm with aczlan on this one.

You will find I am correct on this.
This right here nails it read vehicle(s) as in more than 1 vehicle that gross's over 26,001 lbs.
 

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   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #64  
You will find I am correct on this.
This right here nails it read vehicle(s) as in more than 1 vehicle that gross's over 26,001 lbs.

Yes gross weight not gross combined, if the truck is 26000 and the trailer is 10000 you should not need a CDL. Now if the truck is 20000 and the trailer is 12000. That would need a CDL, the gross combine is over 26001 and the trailer is over 10001. Both parts need to be true, not either or.

I looked into this several years ago because I had a truck that was 25900 gross and as long as my trailer was not rated greater than 100001 I was OK. Now because my trailer was rated at more than that, I did need one had I not put farm plates on the truck.
 
   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #65  
with 30k pounds total, it will onkly go about 5 mph up an incline. manufactures love to put unrealistic claims on their vehicles and its a fact.
 
   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #66  
with 30k pounds total, it will onkly go about 5 mph up an incline. manufactures love to put unrealistic claims on their vehicles and its a fact.

That what I'm thinking, it would smell a hill 5 miles away.
 
   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #67  
Yes gross weight not gross combined, if the truck is 26000 and the trailer is 10000 you should not need a CDL. Now if the truck is 20000 and the trailer is 12000. That would need a CDL, the gross combine is over 26001 and the trailer is over 10001. Both parts need to be true, not either or.

I looked into this several years ago because I had a truck that was 25900 gross and as long as my trailer was not rated greater than 100001 I was OK. Now because my trailer was rated at more than that, I did need one had I not put farm plates on the truck.

Like I said you will find I am correct on this.
Those regulations clearly state:
truck 26,001 lbs GVWR= CDL
Trailer over 10,001 GVWR= CDL
Truck/Trailer GCVWR over 26,001 lbs= CDL
These regulations specifically list the weight requirements for each vehicle to reach CDL requirements and then the combination weight that requires a CDL. Once you go over the 26,001 weight with truck/trailer GCWR its CDL time period.

Now logically why would any state require a CDL for a truck with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs BUT say hey take a 26,000 lb GVWR truck and 10,000 lb GVWR trailer, hook them up together and you can have GCVWR 36,000 lbs and drive with no CDL. Because they dont, its clearly stated as 26,001 lbs GCVWR

I will quit posting on this.
 
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with 30k pounds total, it will onkly go about 5 mph up an incline. manufactures love to put unrealistic claims on their vehicles and its a fact.

I think that part is the easy part to solve , with the 6.7 Cummins you already have 850 ft. lbs. of torque to start with

A tuner, pyrometer (to watch egt) and a couple other mods could push it above 1200 ft lbs. maybe only 40 mph...I would still worry more about stopping all that weight, not overly worried about getting it moving... and as the hotshotter is already pulling similar weight, using an 04 5.9 with over 300kmiles already, I'm sure the engine can be made more than capable.. i'm with some others on this about- controlling all that weight, is the BIG question...
 
   / 2013 dodge 3500 HD trailer towing uprated to 30,000lbs #69  
You will find I am correct on this

Think not

This right here nails it read vehicle(s) as in more than 1 vehicle that gross's over 26,001 lbs.


It's not that hard if you read the matrix chart correctly. We are discussing a non-CDL straight truck with a GVW of 26K towing a trailer of 10K. Your attachment above would not be applicable.
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Like I said you will find I am correct on this.
Those regulations clearly state:
truck 26,001 lbs GVWR= CDL
Trailer over 10,001 GVWR= CDL
Truck/Trailer GCVWR over 26,001 lbs= CDL
These regulations specifically list the weight requirements for each vehicle to reach CDL requirements and then the combination weight that requires a CDL. Once you go over the 26,001 weight with truck/trailer GCWR its CDL time period.

Now logically why would any state require a CDL for a truck with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs BUT say hey take a 26,000 lb GVWR truck and 10,000 lb GVWR trailer, hook them up together and you can have GCVWR 36,000 lbs and drive with no CDL. Because they dont, its clearly stated as 26,001 lbs GCVWR

I will quit posting on this.

I believe that matches Idahos law, almost exactly, if the truck /trailer combo is over 26001lbs. CDL required, There is the farm truck exemption. but only can operate within a certain distance of your home...
 
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