2013 Tundra vs 2013 Ford

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Thanks Bullitt.

Alright, well we can see the baseline for the other graph was lifted from this one from Ford, which is reported to be an engine dyno. What's the source and standard for the other three makes.

From that Article we can also see that the wheel dyno profile does not look anything like the numbers Ford supplies, driveline losses aside.

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As far as detonation, that is the point of GDI. It helps lower cylinder temps and eliminates detonation. This can also be done with higher octane fuel, but the EB does NOT require premium. It is recommended for towing heavy at higher elevations, but it is not required.

You named a couple advantages of the EB over the diesel (no SCR active catalyst, no DPF).
Here are a couple more:
1) Less upfront cost. The EB is about $3k less than the diesel in the RAM
2) Less maintenance cost. Diesels just plain cost more to maintain.
3) Lower cost per gallon of fuel. Diesel is 15-30% higher than gas depending on time of the year
4) More HP. You get more HP in the EB with the same torque as the RAM diesel

Now, factor all of that in and you can see that the 5 MPG advantage isn't that much of an advantage cost-wise.
Don't forget the significantly higher payload with a F150 than with a Ram 1500...

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Thanks Bullitt.

Alright, well we can see the baseline for the other graph was lifted from this one from Ford, which is reported to be an engine dyno. What's the source and standard for the other three makes.

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I got the chart from the same source a couple years ago. I'll have to see where it is on their website now. Pickuptrucks.com
 

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Don't forget the significantly higher payload with a F150 than with a Ram 1500...

Aaron Z

Brings up another good point...the diesel weighs more than the gasser.

Really, I can't wait to see how the 2.7L EcoBoost stacks up against the RAM EcoDiesel. Should be a fun comparison, and I think then is when you will really see how the EcoBoost shines.
 
  
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Well since I started the thread and have now owned the Tundra for over 6 months, let me provide an update that may help. Overall, we are averaging 17mpg. This is the 5.7l, 4.30 gears 2wd crew max. It is the quickest 1/2 ton I have owned or ridden in. To be clear, I have not ridden in a new hemi. We have 9200 miles on it. It has been in the shop once for a sticking radio button. It tows very well, handles the load well. I pulled my 97 F150 ext cab 4x4 to the shop to get the spark plug blowout issue resolved. With trailer and truck, I was near 7k pounds (this includes fuel and tool box with tools on the F150). When shopping, it came down to this truck and a F150 CC with the 5.0. Really no comparison on power. The Tundra felt bigger, stronger and frankly looked better imo. They also made me a better deal on price and trade in.
 

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Well since I started the thread and have now owned the Tundra for over 6 months, let me provide an update that may help. Overall, we are averaging 17mpg. This is the 5.7l, 4.30 gears 2wd crew max. It is the quickest 1/2 ton I have owned or ridden in. To be clear, I have not ridden in a new hemi. We have 9200 miles on it. It has been in the shop once for a sticking radio button. It tows very well, handles the load well. I pulled my 97 F150 ext cab 4x4 to the shop to get the spark plug blowout issue resolved. With trailer and truck, I was near 7k pounds (this includes fuel and tool box with tools on the F150). When shopping, it came down to this truck and a F150 CC with the 5.0. Really no comparison on power. The Tundra felt bigger, stronger and frankly looked better imo. They also made me a better deal on price and trade in.

Call Keith at Dirtydeeds and get a BA Muffler system if you want some rumble and grumble. I did some research and went with an alumanized 8" system. You keep your stock tail pipe for back pressure, but replaces from the rear cat back on each side.

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Well since I started the thread and have now owned the Tundra for over 6 months, let me provide an update that may help. Overall, we are averaging 17mpg. This is the 5.7l, 4.30 gears 2wd crew max. It is the quickest 1/2 ton I have owned or ridden in. To be clear, I have not ridden in a new hemi. We have 9200 miles on it. It has been in the shop once for a sticking radio button. It tows very well, handles the load well. I pulled my 97 F150 ext cab 4x4 to the shop to get the spark plug blowout issue resolved. With trailer and truck, I was near 7k pounds (this includes fuel and tool box with tools on the F150). When shopping, it came down to this truck and a F150 CC with the 5.0. Really no comparison on power. The Tundra felt bigger, stronger and frankly looked better imo. They also made me a better deal on price and trade in.

Sounds like you are happy with your purchase, and that's all that matters! Enjoy your truck and thanks for the update!
 

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deerefan,

congrats & enjoy your truck! sorry we got a bit carried away with new trucks, but you gotta admit this is pretty interesting stuff!

have fun!
 
 
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