bamboozled
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That is a great deal:thumbsup:! While you're in the building mode, go ahead and build a gooseneck adapter.
That's pretty slick, did it work as expected?
24' Deck over plans, or start drawing my own?
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That's pretty slick, did it work as expected?
Shield Arc
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Works perfect. I built one for a friend too.
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That GN adapter is pretty cool but looks like a pain to hook up/remove?
I do have a small project now, need stands and such to set this up, much heavier project than I normally attack. My only lifting device is a worn out case 530, so this makes me a bit nervous.
I never thought anyone would know my little town
I do have a small project now, need stands and such to set this up, much heavier project than I normally attack. My only lifting device is a worn out case 530, so this makes me a bit nervous.
I never thought anyone would know my little town
Shield Arc
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I've never taken mine off, but my buddy takes his off all the time with the FEL on his tractor. Says it takes longer to remove the bolts than anything else.
That guys name is Roy Williams. We were foremen on this I-90 floating bridge in Lake Washington together.
That guys name is Roy Williams. We were foremen on this I-90 floating bridge in Lake Washington together.
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That bridge looks like "fun" to work on
So a question as I move forward on this trailer, since it has no decking I need to hit that soon as I stitch the beaver tail to the rear. Will 3/16 steel tread plating hold up to heavier tractors like the case 580s (if I do upgrade) with the 2 foot spacing of the channel deck support? Should I consider other provisions to help minimize potential damage from heavy loads? The beaver tail is beat pretty bad, as far as decking goes so I'd like to make it "better".
So a question as I move forward on this trailer, since it has no decking I need to hit that soon as I stitch the beaver tail to the rear. Will 3/16 steel tread plating hold up to heavier tractors like the case 580s (if I do upgrade) with the 2 foot spacing of the channel deck support? Should I consider other provisions to help minimize potential damage from heavy loads? The beaver tail is beat pretty bad, as far as decking goes so I'd like to make it "better".
BHD
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Just a word of caution, you many end up needing a CDL and possible different weight registration on the truck. you may want to call in and see or do an online search in your state to see what you can legally haul, they have been hammering contractors for some years now, with the over 10,000 pound limit, on the tuck, hauling supplies and small bobcats and so on,
most likely your trailer is rated for 21,000 pounds, possibly more, depending on how they figure tougne weight,
and there is a good chance you may need a DOT number as well, from WA state.
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/traveler/docs/cvd/DOT_Requirements_for_Commercial_Vehicles.pdf
If you have farm plates or agricultural exemption, you may be OK. depending on how the rules in your state read, I have heard some horror stories on the fines some have got,
Just some thing to consider.
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on the deck you may need some more cross bracing if it was original wood,
when my son and I rebuilt mine, we double up the cross bracing, most likely could have used, lighter than the 3" channel but it was the same as the other, but to use 2inch would have resulted in having to shim each one at eh frame,
my Idea was to put down a few channels under the tire area, and fill back in with wood, but since my son was hauling scrap iron at the time and keep dumping and dropping tings and breaking up the wood, we ended up with flat metal decking (eh found some 1/4" and it held up to his scrap iron, but he was hard on that trailer,
for ever pound of trailer you have is that much less before the trailer is over loaded,
at one time all they cared about was weight per axel, now it is the tires and the rating on the trailer, if what your hauling is over manufactures tag or the tires tag on the side wall, , your over loaded, some thing more to consider,
most likely your trailer is rated for 21,000 pounds, possibly more, depending on how they figure tougne weight,
and there is a good chance you may need a DOT number as well, from WA state.
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/traveler/docs/cvd/DOT_Requirements_for_Commercial_Vehicles.pdf
If you have farm plates or agricultural exemption, you may be OK. depending on how the rules in your state read, I have heard some horror stories on the fines some have got,
Just some thing to consider.
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on the deck you may need some more cross bracing if it was original wood,
when my son and I rebuilt mine, we double up the cross bracing, most likely could have used, lighter than the 3" channel but it was the same as the other, but to use 2inch would have resulted in having to shim each one at eh frame,
my Idea was to put down a few channels under the tire area, and fill back in with wood, but since my son was hauling scrap iron at the time and keep dumping and dropping tings and breaking up the wood, we ended up with flat metal decking (eh found some 1/4" and it held up to his scrap iron, but he was hard on that trailer,
for ever pound of trailer you have is that much less before the trailer is over loaded,
at one time all they cared about was weight per axel, now it is the tires and the rating on the trailer, if what your hauling is over manufactures tag or the tires tag on the side wall, , your over loaded, some thing more to consider,
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Unfortunately, people who work at the local DOL offices tell me conflicting information. One lady said I was over 10k and needed a DOT#, while another said I do not because I do not drive for commerce. Gentleman on the phone for the DOT# said as well, I do not need the DOT# because I am using the truck for personal use. Really sucks that people who should be guiding me at these local offices can't do that, now I'm concerned again and have to call people.
Currently no decking exists, the frame is channel 2' spacing. I was pondering running a piece of channel between each 2' space "front to back" so to speak. As you said, this adds considerable weight which I want to avoid if possible.
Current trailer weight is ~5500#
Currently no decking exists, the frame is channel 2' spacing. I was pondering running a piece of channel between each 2' space "front to back" so to speak. As you said, this adds considerable weight which I want to avoid if possible.
Current trailer weight is ~5500#
BHD
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If you can get the statements in writing and some one to sign it, could be a good idea if you choose to not get the numbers and CDl,
have them send you the documentation on the exemptions and at least if you get stopped you have evidence you have contacted the DOT, and was informed your with in the law,
we got the same contradicting information when we called the local and DOT and even talked to truckers, no one seemed to know the rules and the exemptions, and what falls under each category,
a number of years ago, I was going to a friends farm in Wyoming to help him paint, I got waved over in a DOT check point as I long bed dully with a ladder on top, and since I could see there buildings from the site, and then was grilled on the money to be exchanged, finally I convinced them I was a farmer from Colorado helping a friend, (most likely the farm plates),
we had not talked about any money exchange, as said were friends, finally they let me go, they wanted some kind of tax for commercial work,
I am just guessing if you get involved with DOT, with a flat bed and back hoe on the trailer, with out farm plates, you will be considered commercial, regardless, and they will figure you can make your case with the judge,
get your documentation, to prove your case, and what laws back your decision,
there job is to raise revenue, and they will most likely use any thing in there power to make you cough up there pay checks, and more, (the governor needs another vacation)
have them send you the documentation on the exemptions and at least if you get stopped you have evidence you have contacted the DOT, and was informed your with in the law,
we got the same contradicting information when we called the local and DOT and even talked to truckers, no one seemed to know the rules and the exemptions, and what falls under each category,
a number of years ago, I was going to a friends farm in Wyoming to help him paint, I got waved over in a DOT check point as I long bed dully with a ladder on top, and since I could see there buildings from the site, and then was grilled on the money to be exchanged, finally I convinced them I was a farmer from Colorado helping a friend, (most likely the farm plates),
we had not talked about any money exchange, as said were friends, finally they let me go, they wanted some kind of tax for commercial work,
I am just guessing if you get involved with DOT, with a flat bed and back hoe on the trailer, with out farm plates, you will be considered commercial, regardless, and they will figure you can make your case with the judge,
get your documentation, to prove your case, and what laws back your decision,
there job is to raise revenue, and they will most likely use any thing in there power to make you cough up there pay checks, and more, (the governor needs another vacation)
jenkinsph
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Klitch,
Look at the tail and see if you can use angle iron on it instead of decking. The angle iron with fingers down should make it easier to get a bite when loading in inclement weather.
Sorry if I missed it but what are you using for a truck to haul this?
Look at the tail and see if you can use angle iron on it instead of decking. The angle iron with fingers down should make it easier to get a bite when loading in inclement weather.
Sorry if I missed it but what are you using for a truck to haul this?
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If you are pulling the trailer with the F150 you may have a problem with exceeding the GCWR of the F150. If the gross combined weight exceeds 26,000lbs Federal says you need a CDL. If your weight exceeds both of these numbers you could end up with enough tickets to shuffle and deal. I researched this for NY and found out about the over the 26K CDL requirement. That didn't bother me as I have one. But, my son couldn't use that combination to take the road test. It must be a tractor trailer (semi) or a truck over 26K with a trailer over 10K and that is stamped "not valid for semi". Most of this is not for safety it's for MONEY.