5.56 ammo

   / 5.56 ammo #21  
If I might add, the smaller cartridge also was choosen for the ability to carry more rounds on the soldier..This round is much easier Recoil..on smaller framed persons or anybody, than the 30-06 and .308 that it replaced...the M-14 had already proved that Full auto fire from it was mostly un-satifactory...We had all of them in the time, I was in the ArmyGuard, and I qualified with all too.. I prefered the M-14 as to handling, shooting and knock-down power...But they issued the m-16 before they had made many of the improvements.
 
   / 5.56 ammo #22  
I'm pretty sure, but not positive that "Ball Ammo" is in reference to the bullet, which means a full metal jacket vs a tracer round.

I have a Mini 14 and it will shoot both kinds of ammo. My Mini is an older version, and the barrel is not very heavy and kind of whippy. When I shoot the 5.56 stuff, its hotter and shifts the point of aim quite a bit when I have my scope dialed in for the 223 stuff. When I say quite a bit, I mean over 12" at 100 yards. The hotter 5.56 rounds will shift the point of aim roughly 12" to the right. I would say with a heavier barreled rifle, this shift will be less, or non existent.
 
   / 5.56 ammo #23  
As noted here..it is generally a bad idea. :: Ammo Oracle

Side note: In VietNam we had the 60MM and 81MM mortar. The NVA, VC, Laotians and who ever wanted to shoot at us used 61MM and 80MM. Thus they could use our ammo in their weapons, but we could not. I quit using the M16 and 45Cal choosing to use the short-slide out barrel CAR15 and the 9MM Bretta. Worked for me. Although I once used a Chinese 61MM mortar and fired it with no powder bags in order to hit sampans I could hear, but not see. Simply listened for the rounds to go "splash, splash..clunk" to know I hit one!
60mm Mortars


Extract from :: Ammo Oracle :
In the 1950's, the US military adopted the metric system of measurement and uses metric measurements to describe ammo. However, the US commercial ammo market typically used the English "caliber" measurements when describing ammo. "Caliber" is a shorthand way of saying "hundredths (or thousandths) of an inch." For example, a fifty caliber projectile is approximately fifty one-hundredths (.50) of an inch and a 357 caliber projectile is approximately three-hundred and fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch. Dimensionally, 5.56 and .223 ammo are identical, though military 5.56 ammo is typically loaded to higher pressures and velocities than commercial ammo and may, in guns with extremely tight "match" .223 chambers, be unsafe to fire.

The chambers for .223 and 5.56 weapons are not the same either. Though the AR15 design provides an extremely strong action, high pressure signs on the brass and primers, extraction failures and cycling problems may be seen when firing hot 5.56 ammo in .223-chambered rifles. Military M16s and AR15s from Colt, Bushmaster, FN, DPMS, and some others, have the M16-spec chamber and should have no trouble firing hot 5.56 ammunition.

Military M16s have slightly more headspace and have a longer throat area, compared to the SAAMI .223 chamber spec, which was originally designed for bolt-action rifles. Commercial SAAMI-specification .223 chambers have a much shorter throat or leade and less freebore than the military chamber. Shooting 5.56 Mil-Spec ammo in a SAAMI-specification chamber can increase pressure dramatically, up to an additional 15,000 psi or more.

The military chamber is often referred to as a "5.56 NATO" chamber, as that is what is usually stamped on military barrels. Some commercial AR manufacturers use the tighter ".223" (i.e., SAAMI-spec and often labeled ".223" or ".223 Remington") chamber, which provides for increased accuracy but, in self-loading rifles, less cycling reliability, especially with hot-loaded military ammo. A few AR manufacturers use an in-between chamber spec, such as the Wylde chamber. Many mis-mark their barrels too, which further complicates things. You can generally tell what sort of chamber you are dealing with by the markings, if any, on the barrel, but always check with the manufacturer to be sure.

Typical Colt Mil-Spec-type markings: C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7

Typical Bushmaster markings: B MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR

DPMS marks their barrels ".223", though they actually have 5.56 chambers.

Olympic Arms marks their barrels with "556", with some additionally marked "SS" or "SUM." This marking is used on all barrels, even older barrels that used .223 chambers and current target models that also use .223 chambers. Non-target barrels made since 2001 should have 5.56 chambers.

Armalite typically doesn't mark their barrels. A2 and A4 models had .223 chambers until mid-2001, and have used 5.56 chambers since. The (t) models use .223 match chambers.

Rock River Arms uses the Wylde chamber specs on most rifles, and does not mark their barrels.

Most other AR manufacturers' barrels are unmarked, and chamber dimensions are unknown.
 
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   / 5.56 ammo #25  
Thanks, I am getting too lazy/busy to reload it.

The small round is too tedious to load,for me... it needs to be perfect...I bought some south african in battle packs that shoots like the best.. Plus who has the time unless it is bad outside, used to do it in the winter...
 
   / 5.56 ammo #26  
The small round is too tedious to load,for me... it needs to be perfect...I bought some south african in battle packs that shoots like the best.. Plus who has the time unless it is bad outside, used to do it in the winter...

Same here, I loaded up a bunch of .45-70 rounds for my uncle a few years ago; pretty easy to handle. I have some .380 components that will probably go to my kids; hate those things too.
 
   / 5.56 ammo #27  
Same here, I loaded up a bunch of .45-70 rounds for my uncle a few years ago; pretty easy to handle. I have some .380 components that will probably go to my kids; hate those things too.

Do you have a progressive? I load a lot of 9MM on my Dillon and it is pretty easy.. I have never loaded .380, but they are just a little smaller than 9mm. and the same shellplate as .223/5.56mm should be ok I would think.

James K0UA
 
   / 5.56 ammo #28  
Do you have a progressive? I load a lot of 9MM on my Dillon and it is pretty easy.. I have never loaded .380, but they are just a little smaller than 9mm. and the same shellplate as .223/5.56mm should be ok I would think.

James K0UA

Yeah, I have a couple of the old style RCBS 4x4 loaders. I use to load a lot of 9mm before I went to mostly .40 S&W and even the 9mm seemed pretty small but manageable, the .380 slug and case are enough shorter to make them an aggravation to me. When my kids were home I often had them help as ther fingers were smaller. I rarely shoot 9mm anymore and bought the last batch we used for my wife to go through CWP classes.
 
   / 5.56 ammo
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#29  
I am really clear on the difference between .223 and 5.56. I have the 5.56 and plan on buying 5.56 rounds (although .223 will work).
I just wasn't sure why some listed the 5.56 as just 5.56 and some listed it as 5.56x45mm.
(You know, like there is a big difference between .45 and .45-70)
I understand now that they are the same, so I ordered some.
Thanks again.

Also I just signed up for CCW (for my Glock, not the AR-15) :)
And also signed up for Intro to AR-15
 
   / 5.56 ammo #30  
You mean "ball powder". .....Gunpowder is available in ball and stick geometry, and it was the ball gunpowder that cause initial M16 teething problems..

ball, stick, flake, straw, etc.. :)
 

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