Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor

   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #1  

MaineBarn

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Hello,

I've done a bunch of online research which means I don't know a whole lot.

I have a scenario I haven't seen a lot of discussion on. The toughest thing I'll be doing with the tractor is at a family's site. I'm looking to clear a 800 foot as the crow flies single car width driveway through a wooded lot. It's land where there's been logging in the distant past but I'm not really sure if it will even be clear where those trails once were. It will be on an incline and is definitely full of rocks which will need to be moved. Those are the challenges. The things working in my favor is that the road can really take any route as it simply needs to connect to an adjacent road. That point can be the easiest point from the prospective of making the trail. We also have a house nearby that I can stay at. This means it can be slow and steady progress. I am well aware that a tractor isn't a bulldozer and the bucket is intended for lifting. My game plan would be to cut the trees into manageable chunks and have a dump site nearby. This would involve frequently grapple work. The rocks should be pretty good sized and that's where the lifting would also be tested. If I found any too big rocks, I could either divert the road around them or build up soil to go over them. Once the path is constructed, I would be able to dig up the surrounding area to use as a base and hopefully find some rocky soil on site. If not, would probably get gravel delivered to spread out. This road won't get a lot of use so I don't see needing a box blade initially. A rear blade should be good enough (and have another use as well).

I've kinda landed on a 50+/- HP requirement for my needs with 40+/- at the PTO. I want to get a tractor with a backhoe to dig up the roots (very slowly, I know) and the rocks. That way I'm not using the bucket incorrectly. Would also ditch the edge of the road to limit erosions. For attachments for this job, I've landed on a grapple, a rear blade, a stump puller, and a woodchipper. The last two should speed up the job and help moving forward. If the job goes quickly, I could clear a section for an eventual house as well as the tree line as it will be up on a hill and the view is currently blocked by some trees.

The longer term use of the tractor would be at my house. I'll have the usual assortment of stuff to chip and limbs to move. My most frequent use for it would be to lift the snow that falls from the roof onto the driveway. I have a metal roof and when the snow falls, it compacts into too dense of layers to snow blow or shovel. I would imagine a 7000lb (with backhoe) tractor blade could get under that pretty easily. The rear blade would also be used for snow removal. I also need to trench a pretty extensive irrigation system and put in a fence. Outside of that, I could see myself putting in a pond, grading the soil, redoing the entire lawn, etc... I definitely would find years of use and am not interested in renting a bigger machine for a month, purchasing a subcompact, and discovering I'm limited by the machine.

Would you think my requirements (50hp, 40hp PTO, backhoe, grapple, rear blade, stump puller, woodchipper, and post hole digger) would be able to do those various projects? Am I way off on the machine's requirements? Knowing the surrounding area, I estimated with a rock calculator I could be seeing 3-3,500lb rocks that will need to be pushed out of the way (not lifted). With the PTO, I'm thinking the test would be random limbs that are 6-8" wide. Ultimately I don't want to get anything that can't do the entire job.

Thanks!
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #2  
With what you've said, I really can't fault your logic. The loader lifting capacity will be a real pass/fail for your ability to move rocks. While you're at it, I would treat myself to a 50cc professional quality saw
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And a super lightweight (5.2 lbs) trail saw
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   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #3  
Hello,

I've done a bunch of online research which means I don't know a whole lot.
You need an excavator and a skid steer or wheel loader, not a tractor. Once the driveway is in and site prepped, they could be sold and a tractor purchased to maintain the property. What's your budget?
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #4  
That seems like a tall order for a tractor / backhoe. Digging out and moving 3000 lb rock and stumps is not light duty stuff!
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor
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#5  
With what you've said, I really can't fault your logic. The loader lifting capacity will be a real pass/fail for your ability to move rocks. While you're at it, I would treat myself to a 50cc professional quality saw
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And a super lightweight (5.2 lbs) trail saw
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I like your thinking. I currently have a pretty good echo but a lightweight one would be helpful to make the job easier. On the rocks, the goal would be to work around any really big ones. However, if I came to a point where there was a 5' diameter tree, a 3000lb rock sticking 5' up, or a 4500lb rock creating a 1' hump, I would probably try pushing the 3000lb rock out of the way and if that wasn't working, would mound over the bigger rock.
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor
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#6  
You need an excavator and a skid steer or wheel loader, not a tractor. Once the driveway is in and site prepped, they could be sold and a tractor purchased to maintain the property. What's your budget?
Appreciate the insight. My budget overall (including attachments) would be around $60k financed. Not a lot up front though. If going with either skid steer or excavator, which would you recommend and why? Would the fact that I can pretty much pick any path over 10acres and it can avoid obstacles along the way influence your thinking?
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #7  
An excavator would be nice, but more $$$ and maintenance than I would care to do. I think your plan of following the path of least resistance and a 50-60hp tractor with a backhoe is doable, and positions you well for the future.
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor #8  
..or have a local contractor put in the driveway, and get the tractor needed to maintain it and your property. Clearing the laneway is only half the battle as you will likely need some gravel too.
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor
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#9  
That seems like a tall order for a tractor / backhoe. Digging out and moving 3000 lb rock and stumps is not light duty stuff!
Definitely would be digging out stumps as needed. I know pictures are distorted, but I've seen some pretty big stumps in buckets of 25-35hp loaders where the specs show a lift capacity of 1700.

Maybe I was unclear on the bigger rocks. I would likely be trying to dig out any of the rocks that would create a bump along the road. If they were too big to dig, and there wasn't a route around them, I would mound up the soil to create a path over them. I think I'd at most be lifting 2,000lb rocks and anything bigger, trying to push out of the way.

One spec I see is "breakout force at ground level." Would this be comparable to almost rolling the stone? I know it's simply the lifting strength from the ground and as you get higher, the force decreases. For instance, if the breakout force was 4000lbs and a stone was 3000lbs, could the FEL wedge under, lift about a foot, and roll the rock backwards?

Not trying to get hung up on weights specifically. I know they'll be heavy stuff along the way and more so wondering if a tractor, with enough time, could finish the job.
 
   / Another Newbie looking to buy a tractor
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#10  
..or have a local contractor put in the driveway, and get the tractor needed to maintain it and your property. Clearing the laneway is only half the battle as you will likely need some gravel too.
100% agree. The thing is, I'd be putting a driveway in for my parents. If I did the driveway, they'd build a house up there. They're hung up on hiring someone for the driveway for whatever reason. This way, the driveway would be there and likely push them to build (they've been talking about it for 15years). If they didn't end up building, oh well. My sister probably would eventually and they'd be a path already for her.
 

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