Backhoe Vs. 12000 LB Mini EX

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4570Man

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4570man,

Left to R in your post, based on tooth count looks like 12", 12" 24" ( that has been playing with wet concrete ), and a 30" ( the Deere ). Not a fair comparison if your comparing the 30" to the shallow 24". I cant find struck volume for the 30" Deere but my guess is 6 cubic feet.

I run KX series quick attach buckets on the the M59. Pic of 24" (L) with struck volume 3.9 cubic feet and 30" struck of 5.9 cubic feet. The 24" below looks much deeper than the 5 tooth bucket in your reply.



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I have a 12” , 24” and 36” for both machines. The Deere 24” and the Kubota 36 is missing from the picture. I actually don’t have a Kubota 12” anymore. I sold it and bought a 18”. My Kubota buckets are the same depth as yours. The full-size backhoe buckets dwarfs them by that much. I mean it’s not surprising when you consider how much bigger the backhoe is. I don’t have the backhoe anymore either. I sold it and bought a full size excavator.
 

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kubotab7001 ... IHI NX15 excavator
I have seen this question navigated through a few times. I'm re-asking it with some context specific to myself. I am potentially selling a business that has nothing to do with Tractors or equipment. Looking to re-invest my proceeds and start up a Small Scale (kinda side hustle) earth moving Company. I already have a skid loader, dump trailer, & a 14,000 lb equipment trailer that I acquired for some personal projects. My area is very rual. 1 in 5 farmers here already has a skid loader and the other 4 have access to one they can barrow. So good luck getting paid work with one of those. I have been thinking about investing in a backhoe or a larger mini ex as those machines are a little more scarce in these parts.


I’m leaning towards a bobcat E60 mini ex (12000lbs 13ft arm) or similar as it can fit on my trailer and can be easily towed with a 3/4 pickup. I believe the work I would find is septic install and repair, digging up water lines and sewer lines for plumbers, digging graves, and the occasional egress window or basement.

Got a few questions for the smaller scale excavators out there.

Am I targeting an appropriate machine that’s going to be marketable or do I need to look for something else bigger/smaller or completely different?

If I’m not asking a top secret trade secret question, what would someone charge hourly for a E60 and what area are you in?

Am I correct in thinking that a 12,000 pound mini ex is gonna be comparable to a backhoe just more towable and without the front bucket?
Well my advice is not to go that big. I do everything you mentioned here with my IHI 15 NX which is a 4000 lb machine. Plus I also dig swimming pools. Besides the 12 inch bucket that came with the machine a built a 36 inch bucket with no teeth, it is great for softer material for moving more dirt and also cutting swale ditches.. I get lots of work because my machine will fit into places that are smaller eg. Pools in yards that already have houses and fences. My hourly rate would not help you as I live in Panama but it is 25 a hour as a big full sized backhoe like a JD310 CAT 416 is 40 to 45 a hour. My machine burns about a dollar fifty a hour in fuel.. Mine too is a hobby since I moved here from Canada. Best of luck.. A good company name is Dirt Works
 
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Part of my thinking in this business idea is based on the lack of rental options around. I have too higher a contractor to dig a trench at my day job once in a while and the equipment / contractors are coming from 3 hours out sometimes. The guys In The area with hoes are to booked up of just not interested In The one off work I have for them

This is your real advantage. Those guys are not your competition, and in fact can probably help you.

We built our side business with guys like that. Telling them, "If people ask you to do a job that's too small for you, don't tell them no. Give them my number."

People in general want to be helpful. Rather than say "no", It's much better for them to say, "I can't do it, but George can and here is his number."

You can return the favor by sending business their way if it's too big for you to handle.
 
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panamaguy

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You are correct lastkidpicked I get lots of work from the big guys and hand out their numbers when it's to big for me and I am not seen as competition either as I have the only little machine within 60 miles.
 
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There is no way you are going to be able to tow something that large with a 3/4 ton truck. Even a E42 will be pushing it once you have it loaded on the trailer.

As far as size vs a backhoe I think anything 3.5t and up will compete very well with a M59 size or Deere 110 but be much more efficient.

I would go look for a Bobcat E42 R2 machine....they are very strong for the size and you could get away with towing it on your setup.
 
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panamaguy

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There is no way you are going to be able to tow something that large with a 3/4 ton truck. Even a E42 will be pushing it once you have it loaded on the trailer.

As far as size vs a backhoe I think anything 3.5t and up will compete very well with a M59 size or Deere 110 but be much more efficient.

I would go look for a Bobcat E42 R2 machine....they are very strong for the size and you could get away with towing it on your setup.
Saw a video on YouTube years ago with a tractor hoe VS a crawler hoe of equal size. The tractor hoe did not stand a chance. Too many things you need to do to move up a few feet as compared to a crawler.
 
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I have a JCB MINI CX which is equivalent to a JD 110. AND if I were you, I would go with the EX. 360 degree rotation to put dirt is very handy compared to 180 degrees of a backhoe. Tracks on the Ex beats tires for grading. Getting in and out of tight spots after running a ditch, put the bucket down on one side of tracks and rotate the entire machine 90 degrees and drive out over the newly made ditch. Much more versatile, I'm sure many folks by you have tractors with FELs. So they will do their own work that needs a Loader. Excavator will handle backhoe work, better
 
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OP- Would you want to haul the mini-ex and skidsteer all at once or make separate trips for each? Would you need both pieces on jobs? Thinking jobs a distance from base.
 
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Around here you would need a state license to do most site work.

A guy south of me is Mike Mulligan, his truck has a picture of the steam shovel from the story.
 
 
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