I still don't understand the concept. Why is electric the desire? It's not cheaper to drive an EV pickup truck. The cost per mile is identical to an ICE pickup truck due to utility rates. It doesn't save the planet because battery production is very "dirty" and waste management agencies are still trying to figure out what they're going to do with all the battery packs that are beyond life cycle.BIG names in the private industry world are working on this as we speak. Recycling EV automobile battery packs is a HUGE potential money-making business. Recycling will happen; I just hope I can choose the start-ups that get out front on it, to invest in! So you have environmental issues on the front end and back end both see previous....
How many years will it be until you can charge an electric pickup truck in 5 minutes and then drive 500-1000 miles like you can with current pickup trucks?
How many years will it be until oil runs out or the price is astronomical?
I had a Jeep employee tell me last week that they had a case where a woman's hybrid minivan had a failed battery system. They believed that her husband may have burned it up by improperly charging it with a home-made 240v outlet. The repair was over $20,000 and Chrysler refused to cover it under warranty. The owners had no choice but to file an insurance claim. The insurance adjuster totaled the vehicle, all over a battery pack.All "systems" have problems and isolated incidents of disasters. That is not unique to batteries. And the batteries are getting better as we go. You are seeing the EV industry in its infancy - people in the 1890s were saying the same thing about IC vehicles vs the horse!!!!!
Why do people think this is the next great thing? ICEs have been around 100+ years for a very good reason, despite all the other change in the world, and that's because there really isn't a better way. What is "Better"?? I want a Tesla because it is FAST. I want a Tesla because I don't have to go to gas stations. I want a Tesla because I can "summon" it from my barn to my house door and have it warm up the cockpit. I want a Tesla because I don't have to change oil. I want a Tesla because I can set it to raise itself up at pre-set locations every time I go over tracks or up my rough drive. To me all these things ARE better.
This was the energy density chart I was looking at the other day.
Horizontal is mass.
Vertical is volume.
By weight or by volume, batteries can only store about 2-3% of the energy that aviation fuel can. Hydrogen can store way more energy than aviation fuel, but it takes up way more volume.
When operating large container ships, both weight and volume have to be considered.
I hope the Tesla smartphone is more than just a rumor.There are always shorts covering during a run-up, and it could have contributed some to recent events. But I think the Hertz deal was a surprise. And I also think there is something else going on - but that is just a hunch of mine.
No one really argues that EVs aren't cheaper when it comes to fueling and maintenance costs. It's not even close. I won't go into details since we've been there earlier in the thread but the truth is out there.I still don't understand the concept. Why is electric the desire? It's not cheaper to drive an EV pickup truck.
Battery production isn't 100% clean but there's very little legitimate debate whether the net is better. The argument seems to be "the solution isn't perfect so let's not do it" but no solution is perfect so if that's what we're waiting on we'll never get anywhere.It doesn't save the planet because battery production is very "dirty" and waste management agencies are still trying to figure out what they're going to do with all the battery packs that are beyond life cycle. So you have environmental issues on the front end and back end both.
That's a fringe case where today ICE is definitely better, and if that's your case you'd be nuts to buy an electric pickup. However for the way the majority of pickups are used by the majority of consumers, this is a nonissue. But we'll get there.How many years will it be until you can charge an electric pickup truck in 5 minutes and then drive 500-1000 miles like you can with current pickup trucks?
I'm not surprised FCA would deny paying for damage caused by someone's homemade science project. $20,000 is insanely high for pack replacement too. The pack is the single most expensive component in an EV - these things are state of the art - so you blow one up and it's gonna cost you.I had a Jeep employee tell me last week that they had a case where a woman's hybrid minivan had a failed battery system. They believed that her husband may have burned it up by improperly charging it with a home-made 240v outlet. The repair was over $20,000 and Chrysler refused to cover it under warranty. The owners had no choice but to file an insurance claim. The insurance adjuster totaled the vehicle, all over a battery pack.
Much like with the very first gas powered tractors, people will argue that the old ways are better. Why do I have to change when I have a perfectly good ox to pull my plow? Electrics are desired because we already know they're better. One day our grandkids will look back at petrol motors the same way we look back at that poor unemployed ox. The real question isn't what or why, it's when, and the answer is soon.Why do people think this is the next great thing? ICEs have been around 100+ years for a very good reason, despite all the other change in the world, and that's because there really isn't a better way.
The good part is it will haul half a sheet of plywood.70K$ for a Rivian... 38K for a gasoline 4x4 Crew Cab GMC pickup. Unless you have that kind of money laying around you also are going to be paying a lot of interest. Even at 5$/gallon, you can buy a lot of gas for thirty two thousand dollars. (6400 gallons or 128K miles)
Much like with the very first gas powered tractors, people will argue that the old ways are better. Why do I have to change when I have a perfectly good ox to pull my plow? Electrics are desired because we already know they're better. One day our grandkids will look back at petrol motors the same way we look back at that poor unemployed ox. The real question isn't what or why, it's when, and the answer is soon.