Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles

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The Associated Press Posted: Jun 15, 2012 9:58 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 15, 2012 11:25 AM ET

Soot pollutant standards to be stricter
Evidence shows that particle pollution at levels currently labeled as officially 'safe' causes heart attacks, strokes and asthma attacks, lung association says.

Diesel engine exhaust carcinogenic, WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer

The U.S. government is proposing new air quality standards to lower the amount of soot that can be released into the air.

The move, announced Friday, is likely to win support from environmental groups and public health advocates but exposes the president to potential criticism from Republicans and industry officials that the rules are overly strict and could hurt economic growth.

A device is used to measure the amount of diesel particulate pollution emitted by a school bus lacking pollution control devices on its exhaust system and on its engine before stricter air quality standards were proposed. (Bob Child/Associated Press)
Perhaps wary of the rule's political risk, the ***** administration had sought to delay the new soot standards until after the November presidential elections. But a federal judge ordered officials to act after 11 states filed a lawsuit seeking a decision this year by the U.S. environmental agency.

An administration official said the new rule was based on a rigorous scientific review. Virtually all counties in the United States would meet the proposed standard with no additional actions needed beyond compliance with current and impending rules set by the Environmental Protection Agency, the official said.

Administration officials described the rule to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because it has yet to be announced.

Soot is made up of microscopic particles less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter that are released from smokestacks, diesel trucks and buses, wood-burning stoves and other sources, contributes to haze and can burrow into lungs. Breathing in soot can cause lung and heart problems.

Eleven states, including New York and California, filed suit earlier this year to force a decision. The states and the American Lung Association say current standards jeopardize public health.

Dr. Albert Rizzo, chairman of the board of the American Lung Association, said soot, also known as fine particle pollution, is a known killer.

"The science is clear, and overwhelming evidence shows that particle pollution at levels currently labeled as officially 'safe' causes heart attacks, strokes and asthma attacks," he said.

Soot has been linked to thousands of premature deaths each year, as well as aggravation of respiratory illnesses, heart attacks and strokes.

More than a dozen states, along with environmental groups, sued the EPA several years ago, contending that the Bush administration had ignored science and its own experts when it decided in 2006 not to lower the nearly decade-old annual standard for soot. The agency's own analysis found a lower standard recommended by scientific advisers would have prevented almost 2,000 premature deaths each year.

The new rule would set the maximum allowable standard for soot in a range of 12 to 13 micrograms per cubic meter of air. The current annual standard is 15 micrograms per cubic meter.

Canada and the United States have completed a joint transboundary report on particulate matter to support an air quality agreement, according to Environment Canada's website.

On Tuesday, the World Health Organization declared that diesel exhaust causes cancer, a ruling that the agency said could make exhaust as important a public health threat as secondhand smoke.

With files from The Associated Press
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #2  
I sure hope so. At least with respect to those vehicles that emit soot. And I am speaking as a person who drove a Diesel for a living as well as someone who has owned about a dozen Diesel cars and trucks, including two cars right now.
 
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Hey, if it's going to kill me and/or my family, new regs preventing it is a good thing, or do you prefer a pine box? I don't think anybody's saying you have to walk or can't have a tractor. Isn't this just the implementation of tier 4 final anyway? The clean diesels from VW apparently emit less than a Prius and if you've ever driven one you'd be impressed, especially if you'd driven one from the early '90's or earlier. I'd love an engine like that in my tractor.
 
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Hey, if it's going to kill me and/or my family, new regs preventing it is a good thing, or do you prefer a pine box? I don't think anybody's saying you have to walk or can't have a tractor. Isn't this just the implementation of tier 4 final anyway? The clean diesels from VW apparently emit less than a Prius and if you've ever driven one you'd be impressed, especially if you'd driven one from the early '90's or earlier. I'd love an engine like that in my tractor.

if thats your mentality, why are you operating those tractors of yours now. sell them and do your work by hand. as it stands right now your contributing to the pollutants and killing your family. Me? ill keep doing it old school till someone confiscates my pollutants at gun point
 
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It is great for us folks living in the country to say all these regs are a pain in the neck, but try living in a place like Houston when the humidity is 89% and every bit of particular matter chokes you to death on top of the humidity. I'm all for tighter regs because I know what is was like before vs. now, and I sure as heck do not want to go back to that. Up here in Maine it probably doesn't make a bit of difference, but that is certainly not the case in many areas of the country. Ever been to Denver, L.A. or Boston during the seventies? If you had you would know why there are regulations.
 
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if thats your mentality, why are you operating those tractors of yours now. sell them and do your work by hand. as it stands right now your contributing to the pollutants and killing your family. Me? ill keep doing it old school till someone confiscates my pollutants at gun point

It is all a balance. There is an environmental cost to replacing all of our equipment. My 50 y.o. tractor and 1980s diesel truck emit more polutants per hour than newer equipment but are used for very few hours per year. Regulation is effective for large scale commercial users because their equipment is used round the clock. I grew up in the San Joaquin Valley and know too well what rural air pollution can do. Nobody is coming with guns drawn for our tractors. We're all going to pay marginally more for food.
 
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I used to bad mouth the EPA and the regulations. Then I stood on a street corner in Manila and visited mainland China this year. It's hard to appreciate clean air, until you see the alternative in 3D..
 
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if thats your mentality, why are you operating those tractors of yours now. sell them and do your work by hand.

Good points!! If all those tree huggers used manual labor rather then running their diesel equipment and cars, then the rest of us could go about our business...sort of like the "Cap and Trade policy, eh?


I don't see Bro ***** giving up his rides either...especially those non-essential vacations flying Air Force 1 all over the world...
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #9  
I don't believe everything I read or hear in the mainstream news media, nor do I accept everything the government or academia tells me. And there's plenty of evidence to support that skepticism too. The term "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" makes me want to head for the tall grass when i hear it. There's too many special interest groups with hidden agendas for me to take what they say, hook, line and sinker. They government agencies such as the EPA are loaded with activists that would love push their agenda come heck or high-water without any consideration of how it will impact the economy vs. what is it's true impact on health and the environment. But the politicians know that such draconian measures would be be extremely unpopular so they want to push a lot of these measures beyond November's election. So what will we have coming after November if they win? Electricity rates doubling or tripling. Crude oil prices skyrocketing. More inflation. More nanny-state. All in an effort to implement their agenda. And they have told us exactly what they want. BO said he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry. Steven Chu, energy secretary, said we should be playing the same prices for fossil fuel as the Europeans (>$10 gal), and on and on. The MSM is saying that 2000 premature deaths every year are attributed to soot. Where's the proof?

My concern is that pollution controls on internal combustion engines since the early 1970's has improved 90% plus. Now we are going after those last few percentage points and for every percentage gain they say they obtain, the costs will go up dramatically.

I believe in clean air and clean water, but implemented in practical, economical ways with no agendas. Al Gore's "Climate Change" push is a perfect example.

I'd add to the OP's title, "and living in mud huts and eating berries..."
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #10  
I don't believe everything I read or hear in the mainstream news media, nor do I accept everything the government or academia tells me. And there's plenty of evidence to support that skepticism too. The term "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" makes me want to head for the tall grass when i hear it. There's too many special interest groups with hidden agendas for me to take what they say, hook, line and sinker. They government agencies such as the EPA are loaded with activists that would love push their agenda come heck or high-water without any consideration of how it will impact the economy vs. what is it's true impact on health and the environment. But the politicians know that such draconian measures would be be extremely unpopular so they want to push a lot of these measures beyond November's election. So what will we have coming after November if they win? Electricity rates doubling or tripling. Crude oil prices skyrocketing. More inflation. More nanny-state. All in an effort to implement their agenda. And they have told us exactly what they want. BO said he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry. Steven Chu, energy secretary, said we should be playing the same prices for fossil fuel as the Europeans (>$10 gal), and on and on. The MSM is saying that 2000 premature deaths every year are attributed to soot. Where's the proof?

My concern is that pollution controls on internal combustion engines since the early 1970's has improved 90% plus. Now we are going after those last few percentage points and for every percentage gain they say they obtain, the costs will go up dramatically.

I believe in clean air and clean water, but implemented in practical, economical ways with no agendas. Al Gore's "Climate Change" push is a perfect example.

I'd add to the OP's title, "and living in mud huts and eating berries..."


Good post!!

To add...groups that allege they are for clean air (environmental groups) are in it for their salaries....
 
 
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