Everlast Welders - Welders and Plasma Cutters by Everlast

[newbury]

Protectionism has never ended well for the USA, historically...and for good reason. And the nearly quadrupled prices in steel ought to give you a clue as to what happens exactly, even though input costs were not justifying the increase, or the demand either.

Just a quibble -
Steel prices for the last 10 years -

Note they are about the same they were back in 2012.
/edit - not adjusted for inflation

 

[5030]

Not all domestic made stuff is junk.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Protectionism has morphed over the years. There are things that should be classified as strategic to our nation's well being. When a communist gov't uses it's full power over it's people, and keeps their wages down purposefully, we don't have much of a choice here, to be able to compete.

That's not to say I don't buy some of their goods. But buying American is better to pump up our own mfg economy, which has been the backbone of our nation for over a hundred years. So much talent has passed away, that I don't know how our country is going to transfer knowledge to our young people. It won't be easy. Ball bearings come to mind. Do we even have a company making the smaller ones here now? Can we really tell where they are made?

I would buy an everlast, if I needed one.

IIRC, the previous post, the guy wanted to mig weld 1/2" material. That is a substantial thickness. Very top end of mig welders available. I know a Miller 252 in that zone would cost well over $4000. Can an inverter style do this? What duty cycle if so?

 

[5030]

Multi pass only. All inverter based welders do is eliminate the conventional (and heavy) wound transformer plus the are much more efficient. The day of the wound transformer in welding and plasma machines is done basically.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Just a quibble -
Steel prices for the last 10 years -
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Note they are about the same they were back in 2012.
/edit - not adjusted for inflation

When it is a major indicator of inflation, of course not. lol. What it also doesn't show is that scrap prices are extremely low. When demand is strong for steel, scrap goes up. It has not. New steel prices typically mirror the changes in scrap prices. All you've done is help confirm my assertion. New steel prices are at all time highs while demand and payment for scrap steel is at or near a decade plus low. This is caused by a lack of competition from international suppliers.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Protectionism has morphed over the years. There are thing that should be classified as strategic to our nation's well being. When a communist gov't uses it's full power over it's people, and keeps their wages down purposefully, we don't have much of a choice here, to be able to compete.

That's not to say I don't buy some of their goods. But buying American is better to pump up our own mfg economy, which has been the backbone of our nation for over a hundred years. So much talent has passed away, that I don't know how our country is going to transfer knowledge to our young people. It won't be easy. Ball bearings come to mind. Do we even have a company making the smaller ones here now? Can we really tell where they are made?

I would buy an everlast, if I needed one.

IIRC, the previous post, the guy wanted to mig weld 1/2" material. That is a substantial thickness. Very top end of mig welders available. I know a Miller 252 in that zone would cost well over $4000. Can an inverter style do this? What duty cycle if so?

An inverter can do anything the transformer can do, and usually at a better duty cycle. The Power i MIG 315 is the same equivalent power class. The 252 is max rated at 300A. The 315 is max rated at 315 A. The 252 is rated at about 25% duty cycle at 300A. The Power i MIG 315 is rated at 35% at 35A. The 252 is rated at 60% duty cycle at 200A. The Power i-MIG is rated at 60% duty cycle at 250A. The price of the 252 is 4200.00 give or take, depending on where you buy it. The 315 is 1900 right now. The 252 has a 3 year warranty. The 315 has a 5 year warranty.

There is a mistaken notion that everything in China is government owned. No. There are government owned facilities. But there are also private enterprises...which pay heavy taxes. Even Miller and lincoln have plants in China that they own. No, they do not control pay scale. We visit (up until covid) our facilities almost monthly. They are privately owned and operated. The workers are paid well in comparison for what their money buys...better than many average US employees. They work 8 to 10 hour days, 6 days a week. But they have tons of National holidays that go on for as much as a month that they get off. WAAAAAYYYY more than we get. I have nightly conversations with engineers and the owner. It's pretty easy to monitor and get real time answers and results and pinpoint issues in matters of minutes or hours in the assembly plant.

That is not to minimize they are still under a heavy handed communist controlled system, but in some ways I'm finding they have more freedom than we do, especially out in the rural areas.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

I don't go. But our travel guy has an apartment, and stays in hotels when traveling in away from the factory. We have a full fledged, well appointed office in the factory, and it's not just a cubby hole. The factory takes care of the eating. The owner's wife owns an upscale restaurant where some meals are taken. But it is a different cuisine than the "chinese" food here. A little bit more authentic. Not unrecognizable though, and maybe not as appetizing to the American pallet to see it in a whole form but edible and sometimes reported as really good. There are bars and stuff available as well. Foreign travelers get priority in public transportation lines, and their own

No, Miller and Lincoln and ESAB all manufacture there, and whole welders and subcomponents used in the so called US machines are manufactured there. It's not a wholesale/retail outlet thing. They have manufacturing bases for subcomponents used in US "assembled" product.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

So what’s it like in china? Getting a room, eating, etc…

also, you say miller and Lincoln have shops there, is it like kubota…kubota has a facility there but to only manufacture equipment sold in china.

Here is a thread on our forum started by one of the main guys who does travel and work over there. It's a few years ago now that he started it, but it gives you an idea of some things. Things have been remodeled and upgraded a good bit along the way. Some pictures from Factory - Page 6

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Thanks interesting.

its hilarious here in America…”green new deal”, “zero emissions”…lol
I guess we can cut our emissions as long as we build everything in china and India. Lol idiots, the whole bunch. Instead of building here and lightening up epa restrictions to a happy medium(cost vs pollution) we build in 2 countries with zero regulations and make more pollution manufacturing the same amount, or more, products. Slave labor and zero environmental regs make it affordable.