FEL and Filled tires

have_blue · Nov 17, 2003

Hi Jinman,

I think a cutter bar would just make things worse. The extra weight plus the extra length of the combined lever would add up. My loader's lifting power is weakest with the bucket fully extended (level).

The engine is fine, although the pump seems to be more than a match for it at low RPM. My little TC29 and Woods loader would never quit like this one. Heck I had to keep a 550# cutter on the back to keep it from tunking me over. This loader is safe...maybe too safe. Hmmm...just wondering if the product liability monster has reared its head.

I'll ask my dealer to up the pressure, which could possibly cure some of the poor productivity. If it doesn't help, I'll try to talk him into a trade.

I have no right to be upset with the loader. I bought it sight unseen when there was a 30 day wait for the Woods loader I originally ordered. My lack of patience is what got me.

snowbound · Dec 1, 2003

( Mean time, I would appreciate it if anyone that has a 16LA doing a few little tests for me. )

I have a TC35D with 16LA so if nobody's done some of these I'll try them.

( With the bucket level, lower it straight down and see if it picked up the tires, and how far. (mine won't))

I'll see if I can't try that tomorrow.

( With bucket level and arms lowered, scoop about 2" into firm soil. Now lift straight up without curling. Will it lift? (mine won't))

I don't have any convenient firm soil to scoop but I will point out that I have lifted pretty heavy logs (two 8ft sections of 24" diameter willow) toward the ends of long pallet forks that were level and the arms lowered. Now that is about 1200 pounds so it's not pushing the envelope for the 16LA. Since this willow was standing dead before it fell we don't know how green it was, maybe it could be 10-20% heavier. In any case there didn't seem to be any lack of agility on the loader. It got slightly snappier when I curled the forks back to pull the logs in and shorten the lift length but that is to be expected.

As to dumping the logs, I couldn't dump them; I had to stack them, so I don't know how fast they dumped.

( With bucket curled up to maximum, lift loader about 5'. Quickly un curl the bucket all the way. Does it go down to vertical, then hesitate 3-4 seconds before bumping against the stops? (mine does))

I'll try that.

kensfarm · Dec 1, 2003

I was wondering what RPM you are operating at.. if I'm doing serious FEL work.. I'm running at 25 or 26 hundred RPM.

snowbound · Dec 1, 2003

( Mean time, I would appreciate it if anyone that has a 16LA doing a few little tests for me. )

OK I did these things. Just to make clear, I have a TC35D with a 16LA loader, full rear wheel weights, and only air in the tires. The bucket is the heavy duty version and it is attached by the Quick-Attach (skid steer compatible) system.

( With the bucket level, lower it straight down and see if it picked up the tires, and how far. (mine won't))

Lowering the level bucket does pick up my tires, but only about an inch, maybe two. The weight definitely comes off the front right away.

If I put the bucket level on the ground and _curl_ it down, then the front end comes right up. I didn't see just how far I could get the front end off the ground, but it's several inches for sure.

I did these things at 1500 RPM. I thought maybe revving the engine would get a little higher on the level bucket pressdown, but it didn't seem to be that different at 2600 RPM. I think there is maybe a pressure limit in the hydraulics.

Are you in gear when you do this? I wonder if that makes a difference.

( With bucket curled up to maximum, lift loader about 5'. Quickly un curl the bucket all the way. Does it go down to vertical, then hesitate 3-4 seconds before bumping against the stops? (mine does))

I didn't notice a delay, it just goes down smoothly as far as it goes. It takes about three seconds. By "quickly uncurl" I take you to mean putting the control lever all the way to the dump stop.

Does this delay you get depend on having the bucket _exactly_ above some height or does yours have this delay at all heights? Seems to me if it shows up exactly at a certain height that would be telling you something about what causes it.

rambler · Dec 1, 2003

( With bucket curled up to maximum, lift loader about 5'. Quickly un curl the bucket all the way. Does it go down to vertical, then hesitate 3-4 seconds before bumping against the
stops? (mine does))

I didn't notice a delay, it just goes down smoothly as far as it goes. It takes about three seconds. By "quickly uncurl" I take you to mean putting the control
lever all the way to the dump stop.

Does this delay you get depend on having the bucket _exactly_ above some height or does yours have this delay at all heights? Seems to me if it shows up
exactly at a certain height that would be telling you something about what causes it.

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Isn't this just a funtion of the bucket pulled down by gravity, and at low engine rpm it takes a bit for the hyd pump to catch up & start moving the bucket again? Seems like a normal action for many of my hydraulic farm implements, noticed it with my 1720 too.

--->Paul

snowbound · Dec 2, 2003

( With bucket curled up to maximum, lift loader about 5'. Quickly un curl the bucket all the way. Does it go down to vertical, then hesitate 3-4 seconds before bumping against the
stops? (mine does)

I didn't notice a delay

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Isn't this just a funtion of the bucket pulled down by gravity, and at low engine rpm it takes a bit for the hyd pump to catch up & start moving the bucket again?)

Since have_blue gets one result and I get a different one I would think there might be some difference in the hydraulics of the two tractors. I am guessing maybe there is some restriction of the flow in his, and maybe based on the raising the front thing, there might also be a pressure relief settting which is different. I'm just guessing though.

Since his tractor and mine should have essentially identical hydraulics I think this difference might be due to a fault or maybe an adjustment that can be made that would make him happier with his tractor.

( Seems like a normal action for many of my hydraulic farm implements, noticed it with my 1720 too.)

I am guessing that have_blue has tried the higher revs since he is not excited about the balky and mushy performance of his tractor.

Now with my 16LA, the bucket went over nice and smoothly which suggests that the hydraulics were limiting the tipover in my case all the way from the beginning; this might be why I didn't notice a delay. But I didn't notice a difference between 1500 RPM and 2600 RPM either.

have_blue · Dec 2, 2003

( I was wondering what RPM you are operating at.. if I'm doing serious FEL work.. I'm running at 25 or 26 hundred RPM. )

It doesn't matter. Power is the same anywhere above ~1500rpm.

have_blue · Dec 2, 2003

( I was wondering what RPM you are operating at.. if I'm doing serious FEL work.. I'm running at 25 or 26 hundred RPM. )

It doesn't matter. Power is the same anywhere above ~1500rpm.

kensfarm · Dec 3, 2003

It shouldn't be.. maybe that is a hint to the tractor's problem.. I can easily tell a difference in the power between 2000 RPM and 2500 RPM.. maybe a hydralic flow problem? ...maybe it's time for me to change my hydralic filters? Hope this problem gets worked out..