Fence Lines

   / Fence Lines #21  
if the property line isnt a surveyed line do it before the fence goes up. will save a lot of headaches in the future. offer to split the cost. maybe offer to lend a hand when he puts the new fence up.
 
   / Fence Lines #22  
I'd recommend determining what kind of fence before offering to pay half. Fencing CAN become very expensive. But like I said, stop the bleeding FIRST (temp fix to keep cattle off property), then look to the longer-term solutions.

And don't forget to come to a concrete agreement about maintaining whatever fence you end up with. I have fencing that doesn't abut neighbors' properties, which means I maintain TWO sides (the phrase "double your fun" does NOT apply!).
 
   / Fence Lines #23  
I don't believe one land owner can force another to pay for something that one wants, and the other doesn't want. You do not have to have a fence if you don't want one, so it's on him to pay for it.

I only have one neighbor to deal with. The other neighbor is across the creek, and the middle of the creek is the boundary. He decided to fence in some of his land, and he hired a guy to clear the fence line, then a crew to install 5 strands of barbwire. He went right to the property line and left my trees alone on my side, but didn't fence in two other sides of our mutual boundary. My place is shaped kind of like Home Plate in baseball. He cleared just enough to get the fence in and drive down one side of the fence.

He should have cleared more land because the pine trees are constantly dropping branches on his fence and destroying it. He spent a lot of money, but then decided that he didn't want to deal with cattle, so it's just something that he fixes all the time.

I'm in the process of fencing in all of my place. I want the fence to keep coyotes and hogs out. I realize this is impossible, but I will still try very hard to make it as difficult as possible for them to get through. I have his permission to clear the trees on his side of the line far enough away to never be an issue for the fence. He gets a free road, I get a fence that will not have trees falling on it. I set a corner post at each corner before clearing the land and eventually, I'll run a wire from corner post to corner post to know where my fence will go. I'm paying for all of my fence because I want to do it my way, and not deal with what he wants. My fence will be better then his and I will build it right next to his 5 strands of barbwire, which is useless at keeping hogs and coyotes out.

Having his permission to take out trees on his land is priceless to me. I wish he had taken out the trees on my side when he put up his fence, but at the time, I never thought to say anything.

With your neighbor, if he clears your trees so they do not damage his fence, then somebody is going to have to mow that area at least twice a year, or it will grow back thicker and nastier then before it was cleared.

Bulldozers are probably the very worse machine for clearing land, or anything. The mess they create is the hardest to clean up. An excavator is the best if you want the roots removed and clean dirt left. Grinding it up is the fastest and easiest, but it they do not like metal posts or wire. What he does on your side of the fence needs to be 100% in your best interest. It is real easy to create a nightmare of a mess with a dozer. And even if an excavator is used, there will be massive holes in the ground where the root balls where. You want them filled and compacted before the fence is built!!!!! If they are not compacted, they will turn into quicksand after it rains a few times. You never want to drive over a soft filled hole after it has gotten soft from rain.

Be sure to know 100% where your corners are. Once the land starts getting cleared, everything will look different and you will struggle to know what is where. This is why I set my corner posts. They are in concrete, they are wrapped with surveyors tape, and they are very obvious. I'm doing all the work, so it's on me to make sure I don't damage my corner posts. Whoever he hires needs to understand that the corner posts are sacred and to NEVER be damaged.
 
   / Fence Lines #24  
Good point by Eddy about taking out trees. I kept as many trees as possible, so I know about what a pain they can be; but, I have way too many trees that would have had to have been removed and it's a LOT of work to completely, and properly, take out a tree (Maples, such as I have, are messy as heck, and then there are the stumps, though not as difficult as with some other types, it's still stump work).

I have trunks breaking and falling on my fencing. I just straighten the fence back out. Fixed knot woven wire is pretty good fencing (can space line posts 20' apart- and that's what I did). Posts aren't going anywhere (3 1/2' to 4' deep and hand packed in layer of different material).

As has been noted, be clear about how any fence is to be maintained.
 
   / Fence Lines #25  
That is called Rustling and they can still hang you for it in Texas. Some old laws are never recinded, like"It is illegal to take a bath in a horse trough on Polk Avenue in Amarillio Texas"
No. You won’t be legally hung but it’s a felony and the tscra.org Special rangers will prosecute you.
 
   / Fence Lines #27  
I don't believe one land owner can force another to pay for something that one wants, and the other doesn't want. You do not have to have a fence if you don't want one, so it's on him to pay for it.
I believe you are correct. I think the perception may come from people who live in the city. Sometimes an HOA will require a particular fence or wall and the neighbors have to split the cost for installation or repair. Other times, it is just a negotiation, especially with a wood fence. If you put it on the property line, you have to depend on the neighbor to keep up with maintenance on that side. Since both benefit, both typically pay. In the OP's case, this would 100% depend on county rules in Texas. In my case, I would have to put the fence to keep strays out. I believe in his case it may be the other way around.
 
   / Fence Lines #28  
States vary considerably in fence requirements for cost share etc. Certainly best to check beforehand.
 
   / Fence Lines #29  
The one thing to note is that there is a road these strays can get on. Let the OP know that every one of his cattle and most of his property would be owned by the family of a person killed when his cow is standing in the road at 5am in the dark. He'd better get off the stick and put up a hot wire and get it replaced with good fence. I've got 2 sets of cattle around my little patch of property. One guy can't keep his out of the road the fence is so bad that he finally quit putting them in that particular pasture. sherriff had put 4 in my yard one night last year. liability is large.
 
   / Fence Lines #30  
I realized very quickly that trying to coral 20 cows while I'm on foot, just isn't going to work.

It can, as long as you keep in mind the super secret chasing livestock technique:

Walk toward them while rattling grain in a bucket.

Whatever type of bucket they are used to, metal, rubber, etc. This is also why you get them used to be fed grain from a bucket at odd intervals from a young age...

Landlord ages ago had a weed short out his hot wire and his few cows were out. Came by to collect us as a free source of labor and told us "just find them, I'll get them back." We did, and he did. Then we walked the fenceline and got any weeds off the wire.

I have it used when I watched a friend's goats for a weekend while they were away. Sure enough, they broke a fence board loose and were out. One bucket and a handful of chicken pellets and they were back inside, and a handful of screws later the board was back too.

When I built my chicken pen I put a hot wire around it low to keep out the local 'yotes, foxes, coons and strays. I made sure to get one rated to burn weeds. Sometimes you can learn more than one lesson...
 

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