Grand L40 Grease Problems

   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #1  

drtwpmd

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Kubota L4740 HSTC-1
After using my new L4740 HSTC-1 for about 16 hrs, I decided to again squirt a little grease into the FEL zerks. Kubota recommends to re-grease the loader arm bushing joints every 10 hrs of use, and I had initially lubricated all fittings (FEL plus every other nipple I could find on the machine) at 8 hrs. I used a lithium based grease (Traveller) I picked up at TSC, but will switch to Mystic JT6 after I use up the current tube in the gun.

I was able to pump grease into all fittings except for the right front knuckle joint, what Kubota terms the "front wheel case support", at the top of the right front column. After 5-6 pumps, I noticed the pressure increasing inside the joint (handle very hard to operate) without grease oozing from around the joint. Upon attempting to remove the gun from the nipple, no go. The pressure was high enough it froze the receptacle to the zerk nipple and the receptacle wouldn't disengage. I unthreaded the zerk from the housing and with a loud "pop" the zerk went flying skyward - fortunately still attached to the flexible rubber tube on the gun or I would have lost it. Fair amount of grease spray out of the zerk hole as well. Replaced the zerk and gently tried to inject grease, but again I noted the pressure beginning to build so I stopped.

This caused me some degree of concern. It had accepted the grease without a problem the first time. If it was a compatibility problem between the factory grease and the grease I used causing the grease inside the housing to cake or harden, it should have happened to all of the other fittings I lubricated. But it didn't - just that one. I contacted my dealer who suggested raising the front axle off the ground with the FEL and then try injecting grease, thinking it might relieve some of the pressure on the joint. I gave it a try, but same result.

I spoke with a mechanic at another nearby dealership yesterday who told me the bushings on some new machines are so tight that it won't accept grease. He also told me that the front wheel case joints use a sealed oil-immersion lubrication with the grease as a supplemental lubricant. His recommendation was to use the tractor for 50 or so hours to let the bushing wear a little, and then try re-greasing. I don't have a problem with that, since the recommended lube interval in my operators manual states to grease that joint every 50 hrs, but then why would it accept grease the first time but not the second. He also said that if it wouldn't take grease after 100 hrs of use, they would take the joint apart and cut a little crease in the bushing to allow the grease to flow out. Hmmm.

Anybody have a similar problem with their Kubota? I love the machine and don't think this a significant problem - yet. Is there any chance that mixing grease could cause the combination to cake and seal the outflow from the casing? It easily flowed from around the joint the first time I greased it. If that were to be the situation, should I disassemble the casing and clean out the joint. Or should I do that anyway, or just wait and see what happens? What I don't understand is why it greased ok the first time and not the second. Any and all recommendations appreciated and thank God I ran across this forum to bounce these and other questions off. Being a neophyte tractor owner, having a worldwide knowledge resource such as this is a great benefit. Thanks.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #2  
I had a similar problem on my Kubota M4900 with a Quicke front end loader. I went to the automotive shop and bought some metric zerk grease fittings, took out the old one and threaded a new one in. It took grease fine after that. Don't know if the zerk fitting was bad or plugged but a new one solved the problem. Worth a shot. Only a couple of bucks for a pack of them at Autozone. I'm guessing your threads are metric too.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems
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#3  
It would be nice if it were that simple, but when I removed the zerk from the housing I was able to pump grease through the nipple without problem. Plus, I was able to pressurize the housing through the zerk. So, unfortunately, the problem lies somewhere inside the casing.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #4  
I still think you might replace the fitting. I had a similar problem and couldn't get any grease to flow removed it and got grease through the zerk. Reinstalled it still wouldn't work Put a new one in worked fine.

My second thought is try moving the tractor to relieve the pressure on the bushing. I had one that I had trouble with, lowered the loader and worked fine.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #5  
Shawn's mention of pressure on the bushing is correct. I would move the tractor around some to open up the pathway for the grease to enter. When greasing a joint, (especially the loader frame), sometimes the grease can't enter because weight is on the area where the grease zerk is. I move the loader and the zerk area will open up.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems
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#6  
The fitting which is giving me problems isn't a loader bushing. All of the FEL zerks take grease. The joint which is the problem is on the top of the right front wheel assembly. I've unloaded pressure on the assembly by raising the front axle off the ground with the loader, and then attempting to inject grease. But it didn't make a difference.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #7  
From what you say the grease simply has no where to go, thats' why more cannot be forced in. You'd have to assume it did not need more grease right now, since you initially found that it would accept grease, but now it will not. Try running the machine 10 hrs and try again........
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #8  
Drt,

I see your problem. The zerk itself is open, but the joint won't let the grease go in. I have seen them pressure up, but always have been able to get the grease gun tip off with a little wiggling. I think I would first try as the mechanic mentioned to see if it wears in and opens up some. It's just a little bit of time. Then, if it's still not up to par, I would take it in under warrantee and let them handle it.

Mine does not have a zerk there. It's an L3830.
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #9  
drtwpmd,

I think your mechanic and medicshawn are giving you good advice.

I had asimilar problem with my KKII tiller's bearing compartment. The compartment would pressure up and force grease out of the face seal between the Brg Housing bolts rather than the Lip Seal around the shaft where it was supposed to come out. A case of "bad venting".

Here's how I deal with it: (safety police take notice) I lift the tiller and engage the PTO drive at the slowest speed it will turn. Then I CAREFULLY pump grease into the compartment with the tiller spinning - this seems to help get more grease in without it spewing out between the bolts.

Can you get the wheel off the ground on a jack stand and apply grease while turning the steering wheel? Not sure if it's that joint you're trying to grease.

-Jim
 
   / Grand L40 Grease Problems #10  
drtwpmd

Are you still around this site? I know this is old, but I have the same thing with my Kubota. Went to grease the second time at about 33hrs and those some zerks took a little grease and then I couldn't get any more grease in and couldn't get 'overflow' as the manual suggests.

Was anything ever figured out about this? What was the resolution?

thanks
Wxman
 

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