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So, I as my thoughts evolve around a trailer...I am convinced given my needs that I will only use a trailer for light duty. No need to move tractor off of my place and willing to pay dealer if needed. But, I will need a smaller trailer for various tasks and likely for picking up lumber and such in town. It got me thinking that if I going to buy additional implements I may need to transport them...thinking about one that does not ship free to Texas, bit does 80 miles from me in Texarkana, AR...so all of that got me to thinking about how heavy something I would use on a 50HP or less CUT may weigh. I could do a bunch of research, but y'all seem to have this stuff down. So how about it, what attachments are really heavy and how heavy are they?
 
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If you are referring to EA they shipped for free to my business in Longview TX. Also if you price what they would charge vs a freight company you will find they are much cheaper. Why not pay the extra couple hundred and have it delivered to your place?
 
  
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Nice. Wife used to work in Longview. She still goes for work once in a while. It is a little closer than Texarkana, too. I think they only ship free to businesses, but you can work something out. They are not going to come out to my place, too remote.
 
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So, I as my thoughts evolve around a trailer...I am convinced given my needs that I will only use a trailer for light duty. No need to move tractor off of my place and willing to pay dealer if needed. But, I will need a smaller trailer for various tasks and likely for picking up lumber and such in town. It got me thinking that if I going to buy additional implements I may need to transport them...thinking about one that does not ship free to Texas, bit does 80 miles from me in Texarkana, AR...so all of that got me to thinking about how heavy something I would use on a 50HP or less CUT may weigh. I could do a bunch of research, but y'all seem to have this stuff down. So how about it, what attachments are really heavy and how heavy are they?
If you are talking about "free" EA shipping, I have been told that shipping beyond their 1,000 mile "free" zone is only a very nominal up charge.
 
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They will go anywhere for a price.
 
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If a person buys any used implements or even new from a local sealer they have to be transported somehow.
I have used my light duty utility to haul my boom arm mower (1 1/2 ton),
my back blade (1800 pounds), my current snow blower (guestimate 16-1800 pounds), pallet forks (200 pounds).
Some things I bought used I just roaded the tractor over to get, brush hog and box blade, sickle bar, rake.
 
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There is a cost to freight. If the dealer ships freight paid (EA), the cost is buried in the selling price. After all - 'All costs of the lowest cost provider have to be passed on, in the long run, to the customer.' If the customer has capability of picking up, and avoiding freight costs, then the savings, and the entity that enjoys them, will be dependent on the negotiating capability of the customer. Anyone who thinks they're not paying for freight, just because it's not invoiced, is not recognizing the reality. The financial offset to the value of picking up, is the likelihood of the vendor charging sales tax vs. not charging sales tax for occasional shipments out of state.
Now, to answer your question about weight of attachments. For your size tractor, 1,500 lbs ought to cover every attachment except a back hoe or FEL.
 
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EA has the great advantage of shipping implements every business day.

EA probably has a knowledgeable shipping agent negotiating very low freight rates based on volume.


The financial offset to the value of picking up, is the likelihood of the vendor charging sales tax vs. not charging sales tax for occasional shipments out of state.

If you pick up it involves two (2) travel segments, out and return Vs implement being dropped at your door. The commercial shipment will be insured.
I value every hour of my time. You have an opportunity cost while driving for a pickup.
 
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EA has the great advantage of shipping implements every business day.

EA probably has a knowledgeable shipping agent negotiating very low freight rates based on volume.


The financial offset to the value of picking up, is the likelihood of the vendor charging sales tax vs. not charging sales tax for occasional shipments out of state.

If you pick up it involves two (2) travel segments, out and return Vs implement being dropped at your door. The commercial shipment will be insured.
I value every hour of my time. You have an opportunity cost while driving for a pickup.
Exactly correct!
EA obviously gets exceptional freight rates.
 
  
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EA has the great advantage of shipping implements every business day.

EA probably has a knowledgeable shipping agent negotiating very low freight rates based on volume.


The financial offset to the value of picking up, is the likelihood of the vendor charging sales tax vs. not charging sales tax for occasional shipments out of state.

If you pick up it involves two (2) travel segments, out and return Vs implement being dropped at your door. The commercial shipment will be insured.
I value every hour of my time. You have an opportunity cost while driving for a pickup.

I literally was discussing opportunity costs today with my students.

I am sorry I made reference to the EA option. The most likely situation for me with implements would be a dealership or someone's farm. In either of those cases, I am much more likely than not, going to need a way to get it home. Only using vendors who will ship to my door reduces the supply for my demand and drives up the average cost and reduces the options available to me. Given my personality, I will factor in all of my costs on large purchases and Ceteris Paribus, I will get the item with the most marginal utility.

@Have tractor will travel another Econ concept I teach early and often. Nothing is free. As others pointed out, though, big shippers can negotiate better rates. Always need to roll up all of the variables, including time, before pulling the trigger.
 
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I bought a couple of attachments at an auction nearby (about 50ish miles away each way) a few years ago. I rented a trailer from the local rental yard for the day; it was $100 for 24h for what looked like about a 14k or heavier trailer (they told me when asked that the trailers are derated to 9990 for CDL here).

As much as I want a trailer - almost as much as I wanted a tractor - it turns out that while I use the tractor at almost weekly (some weeks all week long, some weeks not at all), I would likely use a trailer four or five times a year if I had one (and since I don't have one, I badly need one about once every three years, but if I had one, you know I'd use it a little more often, though I'm not quite sure what for).

Considering the current costs of a trailer to buy new, upkeep on the trailer (tires rotting - especially if they're not TBN's favorite trailer tires, deck boards), licensing and insurance, if you don't have a need for trailers often I'd strongly consider waiting on a trailer until it becomes a "I really need this".

Plus, I'll be jealous if you get a really cool trailer before I do.
 
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The ability to load/unload from the sides (particularly with pallet forks if so desired) may drive the size of the trailer more than the weight that needs to be carried.

The smallest (non-custom) trailers I've found with a deck over the wheels have all been rated for 7000 lbs or more.

I'd agree that 1500lbs to (possibly) 2000lbs would likely be the heaviest needed for a single implement..... though if you buy multiple at a time additional margin might be helpful (even if both implements aren't the heaviest possible).

However, the real limiting factor for a single implement might be the loader lifting capacity of your tractor (which may be lighter than the heaviest implement the tractor could handle on the 3pt) - or whatever other equipment you have to unload the trailer.

Of course the other aspect to consider is the largest footprint of any implement you're likely to buy (e.g. spike harrows and 3pt cultivators generally aren't that heavy for their size, but they can have quite the footprint).

For example the trailer in this picture was specifically bought for the need to haul this single order home, but with the expectation of also using it for long lengths of lumber or other material that takes a great amount of space, but isn't overly heavy/dense.
 

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I bought a couple of attachments at an auction nearby (about 50ish miles away each way) a few years ago. I rented a trailer from the local rental yard for the day; it was $100 for 24h for what looked like about a 14k or heavier trailer (they told me when asked that the trailers are derated to 9990 for CDL here).

As much as I want a trailer - almost as much as I wanted a tractor - it turns out that while I use the tractor at almost weekly (some weeks all week long, some weeks not at all), I would likely use a trailer four or five times a year if I had one (and since I don't have one, I badly need one about once every three years, but if I had one, you know I'd use it a little more often, though I'm not quite sure what for).

Considering the current costs of a trailer to buy new, upkeep on the trailer (tires rotting - especially if they're not TBN's favorite trailer tires, deck boards), licensing and insurance, if you don't have a need for trailers often I'd strongly consider waiting on a trailer until it becomes a "I really need this".

Plus, I'll be jealous if you get a really cool trailer before I do.
An advantage of Texas over California, for a small farm trailer, even a title and license plate is optional. I have had a small trailer before and I know I will use it. Most likely, I will get a used trailer. That remains to be seen, depending on what's available. Trailers seem to be in abundance around here. I pass quite a few dealers in my 3 hour drive across the Metroplex to my property.
 
  
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The ability to load/unload from the sides (particularly with pallet forks if so desired) may drive the size of the trailer more

However, the real limiting factor for a single implement might be the loader lifting capacity of your tractor (which may be lighter than the heaviest implement the tractor could handle on the 3pt) - or whatever other equipment you have to unload the trailer.

Of course the other aspect to consider is the largest footprint of any implement you're likely to buy (e.g. spike harrows and 3pt cultivators generally aren't that heavy for their size, but they can have quite the footprint).
good points. I may get a tiller, but harrows and cultivators are outside my scope...mostly forest...loblolly pines, mostly in rows...:)

I want removable sides, had them before and useful to me...the option of deck over gave me something to consider. I will not have my sons nearby often...so thanks!
 
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Torvy - Absolutely agree with you. When first purchased tractor, and knowing nothing, I bought several attachments from a dealer. Now, I wouldn't think of buying new. Always lots of used about, at much better prices. And they do require a means of getting them back to the tractor
Thanks for introducing me to Ceteris Paribus. Always good to learn new words.
And finally, I don't think you mean marginal utility. I believe that's one more of the same item.
 
  
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And finally, I don't think you mean marginal utility. I believe that's one more of the same item.
I know better... I'm an Economics teacher by day. Was reaching for the right word...it does sort of work. The first one of an item has more marginal utility than additional ones. Technically, they need not be the same item. For example, if I have a push broom, there would be less marginal utility in buying a dust broom than otherwise because you could 'make do'. The dust broom would have more marginal utility than a 2nd push broom....of course, utility depends on the value to you....if you have a small crew, the 2nd push broom would have more marginal utility than if you were alone...thanks for giving me a chance to clear that up, it bothered me as I typed it.
 
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I've got several implements. Some might say - "too many". Whatever. I've always had these implements delivered by the selling dealer. I have no need for an on-road trailer. I have a farm wagon that is used on my property exclusively. Trying to find ANY used implement around here is like finding a river on Atacama desert.

My heaviest implement would be my rear blade @ 1050 pounds.

Likewise - I've never had a reason to move my tractor or any implement off my property.
 
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good points. I may get a tiller, but harrows and cultivators are outside my scope...mostly forest...loblolly pines, mostly in rows...:)

I want removable sides, had them before and useful to me...the option of deck over gave me something to consider. I will not have my sons nearby often...so thanks!
If (and that can be a rather large if) a dump trailer is needed .. there are models that are deckovers which also have hinged sides. Can be a nice combination though it tends to eat into the trailer's carrying capacity vs a straight deckover (most of which will have stake pockets).

Really depends on what's needed, in my case I was operating alone and so needed to be able to use the tractor for as much unloading as possible.

In hindsight a shorter trailer probably would have been more useful (perhaps 14ft to 16ft plus the dove tail instead of 20 ft with the dove tail), but I was thinking being able to load 3 rows of 6ft. implements on a trailer would/(will) come in handy if/when I get around to having a second property and have to shuttle tractor and implements between locations. Of course at that point two trailers would also be needed since loading/unloading implements could only be done where the tractor is located.
 
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It seems rather simple.

Make up a list of every possible attachment you may desire. That should take about 15 minutes. Pick the one that is the heaviest and the one that is the largest. That will set the maximum size and load capacity to plan for. We cannot guess your needs.

BTW, when I bought my tractor "free" pick up for service was a factor. I found a dealer that would provide "free" pickup and delivery for warranty and service work. Many "enablers" on this site recommended I get a trailer but that would have cost over $4500. Sure, it would be handy for other things, but then you need to store it, cut grass around it and maintain it.

I have had all my implements delivered for "free" by the dealer/supplier. I picked up a tiller that would fit in the pickup truck bed. BTW, at least in my area, there is little to be saved by buying used "junk"....at least not enough to justify having a trailer to haul it.
 
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Many implements fit into the standard bed of a truck. Do you really need a trailer?
 
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You can make just about anything work weight wise as even a light duty trailer should be able to handle any implements you'll be getting, but what you do need is space available on the trailer. 72" cutters on a 84" trailer w/ 70" x 14.5' deck just barely makes it. Something to consider.

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Thanks, guys. The truck bed idea wouldn't be bad if the truck market still valued beds over seating. Trailers are becoming a lower priority thanks to your advice. At the very least, I will not buy one right away...unless my wife wants one for hauling stuff from current house to future house.
 
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Even a 5.5ft or 6.5ft bed can carry a fair number of implements.

Have brought home a 6ft box blade, a 6ft wide loader bucket, 66inch grapple, and even a 90 inch spike harrow (a five bar set up) among other smaller implements in the back of a crew cab Ram 1500 ..... the spike harrow had to be set on a few pallets to get it above the wheel wells, but otherwise it wasn't an issue (granted I generally tend to be pretty obsessive about tying things down so driving with the tailgate down and load in the back doesn't bother me that much).

First implement that actually required a trailer for me was the disk harrow (due to the footprint of the implement). ....which is something that sounds like you won't need (barring a change of plans & putting in food plots or garden).

The limiting factor may end up being how long of tines are on the pallet forks used to load/unload items as they'd need to be able to get past halfway into the load for stability.
 
 
 
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