JD 6420 $13,000 higher than M105X

5030 · Dec 17, 2005

Richard:

Be nice or I'll send you a can of Orange spray paint!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

sflranchok · Dec 18, 2005

( The M105X compares more to the JD 6415, which is significantly less money than the 6420. Also if you compare retail to retail the difference is alot less than $13k. Also look at the functions on the 6420. Most of them are not even offered on the M105X. )

Richard and Darryl, I need your help in understanding why you agree ( or disagree) that the M105X does not match up well with the 6420. After sitting/trying out the 6415/6420 and M105X, the M105X does seem to stack up well vs. the 6420 and has a few more features than the 6415. The price gap in this part of the country on M105X vs. 6415 is $9,500 (that is, with check in hand ready to purchase). But you guys seem to have a much more indepth understanding of these units and I really could use your knowledge.

Also, while at the JD dealer, he tried to convince me that the JD 5525 was equal to the M105X in capabilities. The only place it seemed comparable is in price. Otherwise a huge gap in weight, Hsp, capacity, features, etc. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Richard, your thoughts on this?

Remember, this is coming from a guy who was initially heavily prejudiced in the John Deere camp since all I have owned over the past 25 years is JD green.

Looks like I will need to wrap up the purchase by Wednesday. Your thoughts??

5030 · Dec 18, 2005

I for one won't get on the podium and exude the benefits of either brand or their respective models.

The main reason why I buy Kubota tractors and I do own other colors as well is simply the fact that Kubota's dealer's in my area go above and beyond to make sure the end user is satisfied completely.

JD dealers in this area as well as the local NH dealer can't live up to those standards.

With me as I am sure as Richard, after the sale service and a good understanding of what your intended application is, is more important that color.

Any brand has it's merits and weaknesses. Be an informed buyer and don't be influenced by color...be influenced by what the intended purpose of the machine is and base your purchase as well as your brand choice on those parameters...as well as what you perceive the dealer to be, that is, will he or she support you properly after the sale.

cowboydoc · Dec 18, 2005

What is the price on the M105x where you are at?

sflranchok · Dec 18, 2005

( I for one won't get on the podium and exude the benefits of either brand or their respective models.

The main reason why I buy Kubota tractors and I do own other colors as well is simply the fact that Kubota's dealer's in my area go above and beyond to make sure the end user is satisfied completely.

JD dealers in this area as well as the local NH dealer can't live up to those standards.

With me as I am sure as Richard, after the sale service and a good understanding of what your intended application is, is more important that color.

Any brand has it's merits and weaknesses. Be an informed buyer and don't be influenced by color...be influenced by what the intended purpose of the machine is and base your purchase as well as your brand choice on those parameters...as well as what you perceive the dealer to be, that is, will he or she support you properly after the sale. )

5030,

I too agree about the importance of service after the sale. JD has been very consistent over the years. The Kubota tractor owners in my area say that they have had very little need for service before 1,000 hours. Then they say the dealer has been very responsive. One of the Kubota dealers has been under the same "hands on" owner for 45 years and others speak very highly of him. So at this point I am considering it a wash from an "after the sale" perspective. Also, in all likelihood, this will be the last tractor I purchase. With that in mind, I am just trying to get an understanding of the M105X versus the 6420, 6415 and 5525 from those who either own such tractors or who are aware of the comparisons. It seems that from everything I have read (even Kubota's on line web site comparisons) or seen posted, the M105X features/performance are either superior or equal to the JD models listed above. If that is truly the case, then I have a very difficult time not purchasing the Kubota.

Richard, here are the purchase prices offered by the dealers. They all are similarly equipped with MFWD, FEL, cab, dual remote tractors.

JD 5525: $49.8K
JD 6415: $56.0K
JD 6420: $59.5K
M105X: $46.6K*

In regards to the M105X, the price does reflect a discount that I will receive because I am also buying a KX41 excavator. If the multi discount is removed from the M105X price, it is then $50.0K

Thoughts?

cowboydoc · Dec 18, 2005

sflr,

Your prices are above MSRP on the 6415. I paid right at $40k for my 6415. It had most every option on it. The prices you are quoting are at MSRP or above for the JD and discounted prices for the Kubota. Since Kubota never posts their MSRP prices and configurations like JD does it's impossible to get an apples to apples comparison. Everytime I've tryed to get a Kubota, because of someone saying the 6420 is $13k more than the JD, when you do the true math and compare apples to apples it's alot different. I'm not saying that different dealers in different areas don't offer substantially bigger discounts. Our area Deere gives great discounts off of list and Kubota doesn't give much. Other areas are the opposite.

Next look especially at the hydraulics, clutches, etc. There are numerous differences but just one specifically that means all the difference in the world running big machinery is the gpm of the hydraulics. The JD is 25 and the Kubota is 18. This means all of the difference in the world if you are running a planter, big round baler, etc. The hydraulics are also split with separate pumps on the JD. They aren't on the Kubota.

Also look at the configurator. You don't get GPS farming, triple link axles, ivt transmission, headland management system, performance monitor, ag management solutions, and 3 detent controls.

Now most people it may not matter. And alot of people unless they farm and use alot of implements won't know what most of this is and it won't matter to them. But if you need it those differences mean alot.

Before anyone jumps on me I'm not saying that the Kubota is a bad machine. They are an excellent machine. Kubota has built an excellent reputation. Unless you are buying this tractor for a true farming tractor you won't notice alot of difference. But if you are truly buying this tractor to farm the differences become pretty obvious.

5030 · Dec 18, 2005

Richard:

We still don't know the end use of the tractor and I'd have to take difference in the flow rates of the Kubota and the Deere.

Until the end use becomes posted, a true tillage tractor with GPS and all the other goodies may be moot.

For my uses, all the related gadgets for true farming are useless and just take up space in the cab. Besides, the more gadgets you have the more goes wrong as the tractor becomes older. You know that and so do I.

cowboydoc · Dec 18, 2005

Daryl,

I agree 100% with you. I think I mentioned this in my post. I don't know too many times we don't agree. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

MessickFarmEqu · Dec 18, 2005

As a whole you can expect Kubota's AG tractors to run 6000-8000 less than CNH/Deere. I'd say before the new X-Series Kubota was behind the competition as they never had a really good transmission. Thats changed, the new M105X/M125X are beautiful tractors to run.

sflranchok · Dec 18, 2005

( sflr,

Your prices are above MSRP on the 6415. I paid right at $40k for my 6415. It had most every option on it. The prices you are quoting are at MSRP or above for the JD and discounted prices for the Kubota. Since Kubota never posts their MSRP prices and configurations like JD does it's impossible to get an apples to apples comparison. Everytime I've tryed to get a Kubota, because of someone saying the 6420 is $13k more than the JD, when you do the true math and compare apples to apples it's alot different. I'm not saying that different dealers in different areas don't offer substantially bigger discounts. Our area Deere gives great discounts off of list and Kubota doesn't give much. Other areas are the opposite.

Next look especially at the hydraulics, clutches, etc. There are numerous differences but just one specifically that means all the difference in the world running big machinery is the gpm of the hydraulics. The JD is 25 and the Kubota is 18. This means all of the difference in the world if you are running a planter, big round baler, etc. The hydraulics are also split with separate pumps on the JD. They aren't on the Kubota.

Also look at the configurator. You don't get GPS farming, triple link axles, ivt transmission, headland management system, performance monitor, ag management solutions, and 3 detent controls.

Now most people it may not matter. And alot of people unless they farm and use alot of implements won't know what most of this is and it won't matter to them. But if you need it those differences mean alot.

Before anyone jumps on me I'm not saying that the Kubota is a bad machine. They are an excellent machine. Kubota has built an excellent reputation. Unless you are buying this tractor for a true farming tractor you won't notice alot of difference. But if you are truly buying this tractor to farm the differences become pretty obvious. )

Richard,

Let me try to respond in order. About the MSRP. Please go to Deere website where you can build you own unit. I did this and the MSRP for the 6415 is $67,795.00. This was exactly the same MSRP on the dealer's offer sheet before their discount. They then lowered the price to $56,000.00. I am thinking that you are referring to a different JD unit. The one I priced out is 85 PTO hp, with comfort cab, MFWD, 640 FEL self leveling, among other items.

About the GPM flow. Your numbers are correct, right off the Kubota web site comparision of these units. And that was the only comparison that seemed quite tilted in Deere's favor. I really could use more understanding in the signifigance in the different rate for my application. Also, it is my understanding that the hydraulics are split on the M105X, just as the Deere. So let me describe my needs for a tractor and possibly you can help me know whether or not it is vital. I am definitely on the low end of tractor operator: approximately 200 hours per year for this tractor, manage 225 acres, use tractor for 5 ton fertilizer granular application 2 times a year, apply pesticides with a 500 gallon sprayer, two hay cuttings on 105 acres, using a 567 baler, plow/plant approx. 15 acres for deer plots, run a gopher machine as needed, brush hog 50 acres, about 25 hours for a PTO driven log splitter, and a few minor other uses.

I have looked at your use for tractors and I am definitely NOT in your league. Probably when compared to your operation, I am at best a hobbyist. However, I still do want a dependable tractor. And just as important, purchase the tractor at a fair price.

I truly appreciate your knowledge of tractors and am eager to better understand whichever tractor I end up buying.

Steve