JD3720 comparable to NHTC40?

[Slippy]

Looking for info on the comparable JD product to the NH TC40. Are the JD3720 & ND TC40 comparable in performance and uses? Is there another JD model that is comparable. Know about the 4000 series tractors, but looks like they are in a heavier weight class. Ideas, thoughts. I see in many posts that a lot of folks have bought the 3520 and the 3720. I am interested in getting a fel & bh as well. Did any of you consider the comprable NH, Kubota, or Massey similar models?

 

[rockyridgefarm]

The 3720 is a midchassis machine, while the TC40 is a large chassis Boomer. Each would have advantages. For example the Deere should be more maneuverable than the non-SS NH, without the loader quirks of the SS model. (The Supersteer takes some gertting used to when you use a loader... I am not saying that it is bad, but if you are going to have several operators it could be a real concern...)

If you are looking for amazing power in a smaller package the Deere 3720 will surely shine. If you want the same size package as the NH, you can look at the 4000TWENTYs...

The 448 backhoe is truly amazing, and the RSA mounting system outclasses the other brands. So it is hard to imagine using another hoe. The Deere loaders are very good, and are the easiest to take on and off.

Deere has a compare feature on their site. By choosing different Deere models you can choose different competitve models, and then export to excel. That way you could compare both the 3720 and the 4120 to the TC40DA. They don't offer a compare on loaders, but it probably is best to make your own chart, paying attention that the specs are using the same standards. (I am just saying that in case BobSkurka is sneaking around here. He might thump me!!)

The NH is a fine tractor, and there are features that they offer that may be right for you. And the right dealer can make or break the best thractor, the wrong one can turn a champion into a dog...

 

[Slippy]

Thanks> that is helpful.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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[rockyridgefarm]

I just saw the NH dealers CutNPaste responses to the twin post in NH. Sorry i don't have that cool from a sales propaganda sheet canned response. But be aware that they will try and put their best shine on things, and this is Deere's latest offering, which is coming out after the current NH models are a few years old. Reading their info makes the Deere sound like grreen junk. Lemme tell you the Deere owners are thrilled with the new machines, as we owners of the Tens are crazy about ours. Check the machines out for yourself! (you already know that!)

And the Deere features aren't gimmicks. Nobody else has loadmatch, even NHs bunny switch (a fair choice) can't touch the speed that loadmatch gives you. The turbo on the 3520/3720 gives monster low end torque, where they get that the larger displacement on a normally aspirated engine will give more is pure smoke rings...

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I'm no expert at machines of this size as I really focus on the stuff that is 35hp and under. But my take on it, after playing a little with both of these machines (just because I had an opportunity to do it) is that they are different theories to accomplish a similar job.

Hours can be spent debating the better machine. I think in may boil down to some personal choice.

Sometimes there is no real substitute for displacement as it can deliver the torque through a broad power range. But Mike probably makes a valid point about the lower end torque being more important than in the upper end of the curves. I suspect that both machines will deliver the goods, perhaps with the JD running at higher RPMs to do that, but I'm not sure? As for loaders, both a quick detatch, I don't think it makes a hill of beans as to the difference both are good. The NH may be rated a bit higher on the capacities, but its frame is larger so it probably should have greater capacities all the way around. As for the rabbit/turtle versus LoadMatch, honestly I don't know which is better, I suspect LoadMatch may have the edge on this, but both a better than nothing, which is what most machines give you. There are some differences in the size of some drive components that would favor NH, but again being a bigger machine, it should have an advantage with larger parts. Perhaps matching frame sizes would be more valid than hp.

Each machine has advantages in its own areas, and each bit of marketing bullpoop will play up their own advantages. I guess I would figure out which is better suited for the jobs you want done.

 

[renz]

Mike Mc correctly suggests the 4000 Twenty series as more accurate for comparison, in terms of frame size. Just in case you do consider a Twenty, I just wanted to chime in with how thrilled I am with my new 4120/448BH/400X loader. There are no smoke rings drifting around the performance of this honey! And no second thoughts in my head about sufficient size, power, etc. I ask it, it does it.

 

[Slippy]

Some of you probably already know that I have a 60 hp tractor, which I really like. It is a different animal than the compact tractors. But my point is, if I really need the big stuff, it is available to do the job. I guess I am more interested in a nimble, very maneuverable type tractor that I can get in and out of places where my big dogs can't hunt.

I have now seen the NH TC DA line and the JD 3120. The 3120 is the only 3000 series on the lot right now. Now that I have seen them, I can say that from a purely size perspective, the TC35 through 45 are a bigger sized tractor. The TC33 is the largest in its frame size that NH makes.

My sense is from looking at them that if you set the TC33, JD 3720 and the TC45 side by side, they would line up in that order as far as their physical size.

My research at this point has brought be me to realize a couple of more points that are important in my uses. First, the ease of fel and bh on and off. NH dealer showed me the whole sub frame assemble that must be installed and removed to attach the bh. Much more difficult than I understand the JD is, although I have not seen it yet. Also, although the loaders are close in ease of on off, it appears the JD is a little less complicated.

Prices:
JD3720: 20,200
300cx w/ 61"bucket: 3295
447bh: 6300
total: $29,795.00

NHTC33DAss:16,500
15LA w/66" bucket: 4400
758 bh: 7250
Total: $18,150

NHTC40DAss: 19,200
17LA w/72"bucket: 4700
758 bh: 7250
Total: $31,150

The JD3320, which is closer in size to the TC33, about the same cost, $16,700. I think you folks who talk about a comparison of the TC40 to the 4000 series JD are correct.

So, at this point I have concluded that the JD 3000 series and the NH TC series up to the 33 are close in physical apperance and foot print.

The JD 4000 series and the NH TC from 40 to 45 are close in physical apperance and foot print.

From there, you can beef them up or take away hp to get the specs close. There are a lot of little things to consider in the creature features, but frankly, that is of little to moderate importance to me. I would rather have a machine that will dig the hole, move the material, and lets me get my jobs done fast, rather than some bells and whistles, that in my humble opinion, change the whole concept of tractors anyway. I guess that might be why one of my tractors is a Mahindra.

And, FYI, I have also looked at the Manindra 4110, which is a 41 hp machine. Down side for me in this unit is its weight, at about 4000lbs. Thats about 750 lbs more than TC40 and 1100 lbs more than JD 3000 series. Funny thing, that weight in the bigger tractor was one of the features that drew me to my purchase of the Mahindra.

Search continues.

 

[fargo]

If removing the FEL and BH are important, then you really should have a Deere dealer demonstrate them. I have a 3720 w/300CX loader and 448 backhoe and it is amazing how easy and quick they remove and attach. Once you've done it several times, it takes no longer than 5 minutes to attach or remove the FEL or BH.