Jinma 284 Fuel Tank removal

   / Jinma 284 Fuel Tank removal #1  

BobbieNicole

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While troubleshooting a loss of power/shutdown situation I decided to remove the fuel sediment bowl. Sure enough, the threaded part snapped leaving a part of it in the tank. There appears to be a nut on it (or something that looks to be welded on, maybe a mounting flange?). I've tried to remove the remaining broken part with an easy out, got good grip, but no movement. So now I'm thinking I need to remove the tank for better access and visualization. Is there a way to do this by moving the cowling just enough to remove the tank and avoid disconnecting all the wiring I will not be able to see (2005 tractor)?

Thanks, Bobbie
 

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   / Jinma 284 Fuel Tank removal #2  
That's a tough one. From the picture it would seem that there is a threaded boss welded to the bottom of the tank. It looks like the pot metal threads of the bowl broke off and left part of it inside the boss. It also looks like they used some sort of thread sealant on the joint.

It would seem most likely that the sealant set up and became stronger than the metal of the bowl. Any sealant that is impervious to diesel is most likely impervious to most solvents except perhaps alcohol. If I remember right, Permetex #2 was solved with denatured alcohol, but it was a dark brown, almost black compound. This looks white, which would suggest a teflon past of some sort.

I would try an easy out and use a heat gun to get that flange as hot as possible. That will do two things, expand the flange and soften the sealant.
The threads on the bottom of the tank in my 2006 284 were threaded 1/4" pipe thread, but Jinma is known to have changed the tank designs in that era and yours may well be straight threads or some metric design. If they are pipe threads, getting any movement should cause them to loosen with just a partial turn as they are tapered threads.

I don't know of any way to get the tank out without removing the hood and instrument cowling. An ugly job for sure, but it can be done. You might be able to remove all the cowl mounting bolts and get it to lift up enough to clear the filler neck. The wiring harness should have two large connectors between the instrument cluster and the main harness. You may be able to just unplug them to get enough movement to clear the filler neck. You may have to remove the steering wheel first. It is all a tight fit.

Another idea besides the easy out is a left hand drill bit, but you run the risk of damaging the threads if you don't get one the right size. Heat is probably your best friend on this one.

Let us know how you make out.
 
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#3  
That's a tough one. From the picture it would seem that there is a threaded boss welded to the bottom of the tank. It looks like the pot metal threads of the bowl broke off and left part of it inside the boss. It also looks like they used some sort of thread sealant on the joint.

It would seem most likely that the sealant set up and became stronger than the metal of the bowl. Any sealant that is impervious to diesel is most likely impervious to most solvents except perhaps alcohol. If I remember right, Permetex #2 was solved with denatured alcohol, but it was a dark brown, almost black compound. This looks white, which would suggest a teflon past of some sort.

I would try an easy out and use a heat gun to get that flange as hot as possible. That will do two things, expand the flange and soften the sealant.
The threads on the bottom of the tank in my 2006 284 were threaded 1/4" pipe thread, but Jinma is known to have changed the tank designs in that era and yours may well be straight threads or some metric design. If they are pipe threads, getting any movement should cause them to loosen with just a partial turn as they are tapered threads.

I don't know of any way to get the tank out without removing the hood and instrument cowling. An ugly job for sure, but it can be done. You might be able to remove all the cowl mounting bolts and get it to lift up enough to clear the filler neck. The wiring harness should have two large connectors between the instrument cluster and the main harness. You may be able to just unplug them to get enough movement to clear the filler neck. You may have to remove the steering wheel first. It is all a tight fit.

Another idea besides the easy out is a left hand drill bit, but you run the risk of damaging the threads if you don't get one the right size. Heat is probably your best friend on this one.

Let us know how you make out.
I did remove the tank and eventually got the remaining threads out. I had to drill as far as I dared (diameter) then used a hacksaw blade to to make a couple of cuts, than a chisel to peel them away from the tank. Of course, in the process I damaged the threads, but I fashioned a plug from a threaded nipple, used a lot of tape and it seemed not to leak. Hoping for the best when the new sediment bowl arrives. As to removing the tank, not so bad; I found with the ignition switch and the "Pull to Stop" switch removed from the dash I was able to coax the cowling over the tank neck and the steering column with all the wiring intact. Glad the cowling is made of fiberglass and "stretched" a bit. So with any luck the sediment bowl/fuel cutoff petcock was the cause of my original problem and I didn't just spend a few hot, messy hours getting back to step 1...
 
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Follow up and issue resolved post. The new sediment bowl came in, but the fuel line fitting didn't match to the bowl, ultimately I used a hose barb fitting, cut off the swaged fitting and connected things. Ran the tractor for 30 minutes at 1500 rpm, no power loss, one subsequent use, still no issues, so calling it done. When I took the old sediment bowl out I also dismantle the shutoff petcock and found it very much chewed up---I think this was the cause of the power loss due to an insufficient fuel flow through the petcock.
 
   / Jinma 284 Fuel Tank removal #5  
Good work and thanks for posting the follow up. It will help others in the future.
 

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